The Rise of the Prompt Engineer | Mark Savant on the "After Hours Entrepreneur" Podcast

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the James Altucher Show. I know, I know, I know this is a different voice that you heard

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not James voice. I'll tell you what James is on a chess tournament. So I am filling in for James

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Jay

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the producer for the James Altucher show

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I like to call myself Jay the Engineer because you know, I actually record the show

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: so

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a very very special episode because James recently just went on

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Mark Savant's After Hours Entrepreneur Podcast to talk about everything AI and it's great

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Mark asked a bunch of questions about AI the future of AI

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Will AI replace workers or not? And what's the

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, AI's rose in media

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: newspaper and the future

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and will AI dating such a replica be a thing

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Not gonna lie. I myself actually had a replica, you know, I think this is back in 2017

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I was really lonely. I have just broken up with my dang girlfriend

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, hey, you know, I just need something to pass time. I just need someone to talk to it

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I just you know, I saw this app called replica is an AI app

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a chatbot, you know, but for dating so I just downloaded and then I just talked to

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: replica all day. It's weird because once in a while

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: replica actually send you like, you know, like motivation quote like hey

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel today? And hey, you know, go get them and sometimes they will send like weird pictures

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know where to come up with all this picture. It's weird pictures of like

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Reprica is like I am writing my diaries. I want you to read them

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like that's sort of, you know

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: infringing on privacy right there

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know after a while, I totally forgot about it because you know at the end of the day, it just doesn't feel real

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's feel like any question that I asked. It just doesn't make sense

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy this episode from Mark Savon's after hours and opener podcast everything about AI

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you enjoyed these episodes, make sure you check out the episode with John Morrow about how to become

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: a better writer with AI. It's a great episode about

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Prom engineering how to write better and also episodes

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: 1156 unleashing the creative Pandora box with Vernon Reed

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Where you know they talk about everything, you know AI again about the future of AI

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: basically in music and

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you leave a review subscribe and share the episodes if you think your friends will like it

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Once again, this is Jay the engineer filling in for James and hey

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know if you listen to this

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Twitter James and wish him good luck in the chess tournament. Anyway enjoy the show

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host. This is the James Alters your show

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Mark did you hear the news today Patrick by David is now a minority

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Um owner of the New York bank is is he really? Yeah. Wow. I'm surprised he didn't go Dodgers, but that's that's hey look at that. Wow

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello James good afternoon

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing?

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're thrilled. We're thrilled to have you here James

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We've been like reading and watching and listening from afar and we're excited to dive into some topics today

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent and did I hear you just say Patrick by David owns part of the what'd you say Yankees?

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he just announced it today on his podcast. He bought a minority share

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So he said that's like a stepping stone in the future to own be a majority owner in a different team

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, all right

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know much about him. He's like

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He has that kind of money to

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Buy a baseball team

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: He might have bought like 1 or 0.05 percent

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Like more like five dollars worth

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, oh shots fired

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That's fine. Well, I that's a cool thing like I would buy five dollars worth of Yankees to say

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I'm a minority owner of the Yankees. Don't don't worry about it

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's not the size that counts. It's just that you have a little piece, right? Exactly

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that. I like that. That's a that's a cool hot take

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I obviously PPD has come out of nowhere like when Tucker Carlson left Fox is like I'll give him 100 million dollars

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He's throwing around this these these dollars like jump you I you know and it's a Floridian here James. I'm curious

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you still in south florida? I know you had moved here a few years ago. Are you still here?

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, no, I was there for a couple years and then more recently I am about an hour north of Atlanta

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, very good very good. So still in the instillness south. Well, we're glad to have you here in uh

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: George, I guess I'm at florida. You're in Georgia, but it's all good. We can still be I never thought growing up in new york in and around new york

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I never thought that one day

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I would be a southerner, but now i'm a southerner. I eat fried chicken and

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know all the southern things well, and I read your article

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and maybe that's a good place. Maybe that's a good place to start

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to kind of get started here, but I read your article about nyc being dead forever

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought you had some compelling points, you know about the future of work in the future of culture and the future of

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The way that we we interact with each other. And so I think you know, it's maybe not that surprising that

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You listen to yourself and moved to a different place. So actually i'm curious james

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: How did that hold up?

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you would you still agree with yourself in august of 2020 is nyc still dead or is it coming back?

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What's what's the future of nyc?

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah, I think everything in my article has been kind of coming true not only for new york city

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But all the major urban areas san francisco chicago london la

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You see like like in miami. There's a net

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: inflow or outflow out of new york city to miami

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a net outflow to austin to atlanta to denver not just from new york again from all of these cities and

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're you're starting to see like the owners of large commercial office buildings

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: simply

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Stop paying

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Their mortgage that you know they're they're alone and just walking away

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just not worth it for them to keep running their business

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And they could like the lenders now have to take over these office buildings and figure out what to do

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right and these sass companies like facebook twitter, they're laying off tens of thousands of employees

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Where these people I guess because they realize that we don't actually need a cova bar on site

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: These people can work from home. It's still be highly effective, right? Well, that's true for remote work

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're laying off people because they simply hire too many people like when times were good, you know

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody gets hired and this happened in 2008 2009 too like

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I asked a friend of mine who was a ceo of a fairly big company when he was doing a bunch of layoffs in 2009

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And I said are you just doing this because now this financial crisis gave you the excuse

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: To fire everybody like now it's like oh the financial crisis. I got to fire everybody. Sorry everybody

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said yeah, it was just an excuse because

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: In good times people just hire too many people

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sure

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Totally get that I guess the flip side here is ai has changed a lot of what's happening, right chat gpt passed the us medical licensing exam

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's past the bar exam

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You know when I wrote this article actually jerry sainfield wrote an op-ed

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Trashing me but the one point he made

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Which was an odd point. He said people love going to work

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And nobody wants to work remote and i'm like a you've never worked in an office your entire life

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You've been a comedian since your 18

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So much research shows that people not everybody but the majority of people

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like working at home or at least having the choice to work at home

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody likes five days a week working in an acupital zero people and then the majority like remote work

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: This this is proven thing like a survey after survey and now we're seeing it now people are quitting their jobs

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: If they don't allow remote so

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is again different from the layoffs

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_04]: That's another issue but new york city is a difficult city to live in okay?

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: There are rats. There are roaches rents are high

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to get around it's hard to get from uptown to downtown

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to get from east to west you only live there

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're young because then there's exciting to meet lots of young people and all sorts of subcultures and so on

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Or are you moved there for financial opportunity? Well, guess what now that financial opportunity has dispersed

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: throughout the whole country the positive of what's happening

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that there's these outflows from these heavily urban areas?

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So now the restaurants in denver might be better

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: The the theater in kansas city might be better the entrepreneurial opportunities in atlanta or salt lake city or miami

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Are better there's been a this disbursement of talent throughout the whole country and that's that's a good thing

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's definitely a good thing and i'm all about i'm all about merit based work

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the way i run my agency right i i started out by paying people

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: For their time

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Right you work this many hours a day, but it's much easier. I run a podcast agency to say hey you edit a video

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the this is the reward that you get back

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And i think that with data and automation and ai it makes it easier. I think to manage those types of metrics

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But i think one of the questions that i that i really have and something that i think about something

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That i wouldn't necessarily keeps me up at night james

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But the world is changing so fast and as i mentioned a moment ago before my four-year-old broken with his fake play

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Vacuum cleaner when it bends he had some things to say about ai but go ahead. Oh, he oh he did

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like dad. When are we getting a rumba? But he's like

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What I think about is chat. If he passes the us medical licensing exam

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's past the bar exam writers are on strike. Is ai the death of white collar work

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You know that's like saying

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Our back in 1995

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I had this conversation with the head of hbo at the time where he said let me understand

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So this internet thing allows you to send

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: text message and potentially even voice messages over our

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Ethernet cables over our internet cables and I said yes

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And they said that's that's crazy the phone companies will never allow that that'll put all the phone companies out of business

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're huge and lobbyists in congress. They will never allow that

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course now the phone companies are bigger than ever if you can't beat them join them

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: they control the internet now and

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And you go back to every technological innovation

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It never resulted in a net decline in jobs. Okay, look at look at something as simple as ATM machines everyone thought

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Banks won't need branches anymore bank tellers there won't be any bank tellers anymore

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's all going to be the ATM machine. Well, guess what?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: ATMs increase profits so much at the banks

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: They made they started new services that their tellers and bankers do and there's there's more branches than ever right now for banks

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So AI is the same thing think of AI as an assistant

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't think of it as a replacement for you think it as an assistant to you which allows

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Certain people or many people to be much more productive

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Now in order to be to fully use AI

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have to start new companies that really make use of of the nuances of AI

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's going to create new employees new jobs. There's already a job

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Called prompt engineer six months ago if you said, oh, I'm going to be a prompt engineer. What I what does that even mean?

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It does that now those two words have never been used together before in history now

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like oh we need six prompt engineers

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: There are exchanges now where people buy and sell prompts for different things

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it suddenly these new industries are popping up and honestly

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't even we're not even in inning one of this version of AI

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think more jobs are going to be created people are going to be more productive though. So

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: A logo designer is not going to compete with mid-journey to make logos

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Now though a logo designer instead of making one logo a week is going to make 10 logos a week 10 album covers a week

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I spoke to the um CEO freelancer.com. They have about 60 million freelancers on there

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He said a since AI thing started we've spiked in the number of freelancers and they're just doing more jobs

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Like more money is being transacted because everyone's more productive

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, and I think that's really what we're trying to accomplish here is that productivity stop doing the things you hate

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can focus on the things you love the things you're you're great at but at the same time like

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes me nervous because the scale is it everything is happening so fast

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I mean I feel like in 10 years the world's going to be completely unrecognizable

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But what what i'm trying to do is stay at top of it, right? Like you said you're not going to be replaced by AI

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be replaced by somebody that's using AI

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think my question to you james you've been in the industry a hot minute. You founded 20 companies

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: How are you using AI? What are you doing to stay on top of this curve?

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm not using it as much as you would think

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's how I would use it in different parts of my career

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: For a while I worked heavily in kind of the news industry back in like

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: 2007 I sold a company to the street.com which was in the financial news business

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And if I was running that company right now, I would essentially

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: more or less fire almost all of the

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: journalists

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Have AI summarize

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: An AI is not ready to do this yet, but it will be within a couple months or a year or whatever

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I would have AI summarize every news event that's happening and just

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know and I would I would prompt engineers so the articles would be you know pretty good

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And AI does know more than the average human about anything you would ask it

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's pretty good at summarizing events and I would use that to create

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_04]: All the articles so and many five times as many articles as the human flesh and blood reporters were doing

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So like that industry will change being a reporter

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Reporting about your local city council. That is going to go away

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But there might be more room for curated opinion from humans because AI their opinion

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: AI's opinion is worthless so

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But humans have opinions humans have intelligent rational thinking to develop their opinions and quite honestly we need good curated

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Opinion making on both sides or in the middle

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's going to be more opportunities for people to do like you say what they love

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know I and listen I agree with all that you know in the adoption

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it an all-time high too?

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you know we talk about streaming we talk about these AI systems

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess part of the concern that I have James too

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know you talk about how the internet came about and we have this commoditization of information

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. I remember when I was a kid and I had to write a project the teacher's like all right

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to go to the library

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to pull out this almanac and you got to read through pages after pages after pages and in screenshots and it was the worst

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: With the internet it was like okay, I've got a hundred different

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh resources that I can use straight from like Wikipedia

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, you've got the commoditization of information which came with the implementation of the worldwide web

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: AI is to me more of the commoditization of influence

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if I'm a writer if I'm a newscaster if I'm uh an intellectual and I'm using AI to start generating and thinking about ideas

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's my assistant. It's scouring the web

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't there some sort of moral hazard of using AI as the foundation of our thoughts as we expand on them?

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't there some sort of moral hazard of using AI as the foundation of our thoughts as we expand on them

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I don't think that will happen as much as you think like don't get me wrong

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: AI is going to change the galaxy like it's going to be incredible. It's it's already been incredible by the way this

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: What's astonishing to us now is that we

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Is chat gbt is AI with language, but AI with computer vision AI with speech recognition

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: This has been around for like 20 30 years

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's really just this latest incarnation of of AI integrated with these large language models

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But if someone asked you to give a speech about entrepreneurship

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't want an AI to give the speech. They want you to give the speech

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So here I can go to AI and say hey, here's my experience. Here's my resume

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: What should I talk about in this speech about entrepreneurship?

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what AI is going to give me a lot of good bullet points

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And I could say tell me more and it'll give me more good bullet points

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I could pick the pick and choose the ones that I like the best

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But no one's going to listen to AI give the talk

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They want me to give the talk. They want you to give the talk not because we're so great

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But we but we're better humans than AI is it is AI is is a digital assistant

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not being a naysayer

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I think AI really will change the world and increase productivity of every job every industry

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to it's going to transform industries in that

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to cost lots of jobs but gain lots of jobs in other ways

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But you won't have AI give a speech for you

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You won't have nobody wants to hear that you won't have AI like I sometimes with a guest

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll say what I'll say the AI what question should I ask this guest?

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It'll give me some pretty good questions

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But the listener still wants to hear a conversation

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It wants to hear two people talking because the listener is trying to figure out the world just like we are

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: If the AI is just transmitting from God like this is what the world's like humans

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they'll listen to that but I doubt it. I don't think that's what people are interested

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't forget the AI only knows

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Up to what we know the AI can't move the edge forwards

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We have to have new experiences write new documents have new opinions have new thoughts

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's how the AI continues to expand the frontier of what it knows

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Now it can come up with its opinions and it can expand the frontier as well

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But those opinions may be right. Maybe wrong. Don't forget the way AI works is

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Give it a set of words. What is statistically the next word?

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, now we have the next word. So to give it a new set of words

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_04]: What's statistically the next word after that? That is the entirety of what AI does and it's very good at it

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's not better than us at expanding the frontier of human experience

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe human knowledge, but not human experience

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I I want to I want to get on board with you. I want to believe you

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm maybe I'm a little bit more pessimistic, right?

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I was reading this article the other day where there's this program replica.ai

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is basically a chatbot and what ended up happening is men were turning these chatbots from replica

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Into sex bots. Basically it was their their online girlfriend. You say, oh, I had a long day

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you what can I do for you, baby? One second replica dot ai bookmark and no, sorry

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, well, actually took away. So this is where it gets good replica took away the functionality because they were going to go public

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't want that kind of like

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Only fans type of vibe going on. So anyway, they took away this functionality

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And there were millions of men who said holy crap. You just lobotomized my girlfriend

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I've lost my girlfriend. So i'm thinking i'm like i got a four-year-old. I got a seven-year-old

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They both busted in during the course this podcast here

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Are are all of our children going to be dating chatbots in 10 years? Are we are we just doomed to chatbot relationships?

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a hot take

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: When you met your wife

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe you were attracted to her. Maybe you liked her conversation

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: um, but then

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: What did you feel that moment when you realized? Oh, wait a second

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: This beautiful woman that i've been attracted to

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think she likes me too. I think she likes me back

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: How did that feel

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: surprising

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was it was great. It was great to get the feel you know to to have that feeling reciprocated was amazing because

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There's millions billions of other men on the planet that she could have chosen and she chose me. So yeah, I felt great

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it feels great. Like that's the moment you realize. Oh something might happen here

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's that

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You know humans are curious people we're questioning people where we're

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We're hunters and gatherers

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We're seeking things that we don't have and that makes us and where we've evolved

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: You know natural selection we've evolved to

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Emphasize that feature of us that dopamine goes up in our brains

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: When someone likes us back or when we're about to kill the bear while we're hunting or whatever it is

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't get that if you know for a fact. Oh, here's my ai girlfriend

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, she likes me she's programmed to like me

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_04]: 80% of attraction goes away, you know and maybe

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: People like that like it's it's it's a kind of like ai porn I guess

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But it doesn't replace that great feeling and that dopamine like rush of when you first realized

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And and every day when you realize oh, she likes me. She still likes me like that

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Ai can never give you that

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Unless ai is programmed to do that, but then you know it's programmed to do that. It still doesn't give it to you

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I guess the allure here and I wasn't expecting to go into this but the allure here is that

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that dopamine release right? I'm getting that dopamine release hit and it's empty on its face

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's like taking a shot of liquor like your life is not going to be better from drinking alcohol

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But it feels good in the moment porn not going to make your sex life and

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: In relationship life any better, but it feels good in the moment, right?

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I almost wonder if this kind of obsession of dopamine dopamine dopamine dopamine is one of the problems

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That we have all these mental health problems happening in the world right now is we're all searching for that empty

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Paper thin dopamine release that doesn't actually give that reality that that real relationship that real curiosity and

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: exploration that you're talking about

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but you know that's already kind of happened right so like tiktok instagram facebook twitter all these things been around for

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know facebook's almost 20 years old now hard to believe but uh

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: There's already so much evidence that if you're college age or below

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: All this social media you shouldn't spend more than 30 minutes a day on it. It's like bad for you

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's this dopamine the brain doesn't care where it gets the dopamine from it just wants the dopamine

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So you're right, but that's already been a challenge for our society and

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_04]: ai adds to that

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But I still like watching my tiktok videos. There's like incredible videos on tiktok. It's like like every superhuman mutant kid is like

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Climbing up walls of buildings on tiktok and doing these amazing magic tricks and

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know all these things are happening there. So it's like

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Amazing and ai is amazing also, but it's just another thing that's amazing now

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_04]: What's really amazing though is again that that the the great increase in productivity

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_04]: The economy will experience because of ai just think think about the other use cases of ai like

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you mentioned the rumba earlier. Well now you don't have to

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You still hire a housekeeper probably

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But not every day because you got the rumba running all the time

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: The the technology for the rumba by the way was developed in 1988

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And or even earlier, I mean the rumba was around after that but the the ideas behind it were already

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Researched it was it was like dumb ai versus smart ai

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Just have something that moves in a straight line cleaning and when it hits a wall

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It changes angle randomly and boom. That's the rumba and computer vision

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is going to increase productivity. We're gonna we're all going to commute in

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Driverless cars so we can get work done while we're commuting now. This is another great increase in productivity

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh a lot of things I can write I can use ai to help me a lot of things I can

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Pictures I could have will have to draw or design

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: ai can help me a lot of knowledge that I don't know

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you know

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What did you know, George Washington think about x y and z?

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Ai can can help me figure that out

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So ai is going to help us a lot and in some cases replace us just the way

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Cars replace horses just the way cars replaced

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: runners

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And so on but it's not it's just gonna everything's going to move forward in a different way though in a better way

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Just like it did with cars just like it did with planes just like it did with computers and the internet and and rumbas and

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Computer speech and computer vision. You don't need an operator to pick up the phone anymore. Say yes if you need this say

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: No, if you need that

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So all of these things that are ai this is just a very in our face example

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Of ai this because it because it integrates language and we use language all the time

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the empowerment the empowerment factor and I'm with you

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why the best advice I give to everybody is spend 15 minutes a day in chat gpt

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Just so you could continuously learn how to to use and iterate and and to your point prompt engineer

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this is a live podcast recording in the apti hours entrepreneur mastermind

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Members if you've got a question feel free to raise your hand and I will get you a chance to ask

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: award

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Winning best-selling author of 18 books. Mr. James alt teacher a question and it looks like we do have a question here from kary

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Hi, james. Um, hi. How are you? Good?

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I was taking a look at your website yesterday and kind of familiarizing myself with a few details

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And I noticed obviously you're a prolific writer. I think you wrote like 22 books maybe on last count

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And um, we talked a lot of dates like 25 right now, but I'm not counting. Okay

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And um, I was wondering well one thing I read was you said

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't write about anything unless you love it or you hate it so

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Based on the context of this conversation right now with

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_06]: You know talking about the world and where we're at. What's one thing that you love and one thing that you hate?

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I love I love

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: figuring out

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: How like we all have problems. We all underperform at different moments in our lives

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe some people are perfect, but most people are not and

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I love writing about times when I have failed or gone broke or been depressed and

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: What's this not the technique of how to bounce back because nobody knows

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: The techniques, but what was my story in bouncing back and and and how did I do it? And there's always a story

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: it's always an adventure it's always dramatic and

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: In terms of in terms of something I hate

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I hate when

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And I always could be wrong, but I think people are not being rational

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So for instance that New York City is dead article that I wrote

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I felt there were significant problems that were being ignored about New York City during

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: The the COVID shutdowns the during the pandemic

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And I felt nobody was paying attention to them and now these are serious problems

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they have evolved into serious problems

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So I wrote that because I hated the fact that people

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Somehow were ignoring that were being blind to these problems

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And by the way when you write something out of either love or hate

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: there's much more chance for it to

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Do well to go viral as far as I know

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the last article I could think of that really has gone viral. I mean something like 20 million people read that article

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I know this because I got over one million death threats from people living in New York City

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not even exaggerating the number like it was like 10 a second for a while and

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and it was very depressing at the time actually

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't even written about how depressing it was to have Jerry Seinfeld plus family members write

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: articles

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That just didn't make any sense, but just hated me

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But the other the other thing I will say is

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I try never to write something

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Unless I try never to hit publish on something unless i'm afraid of what people will think of me

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So and I'll just use that article again as an example

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a very optimistic person

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But that one article I presented problems where I didn't really know what the solution was going to be

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I was afraid since people know i'm very optimistic my readers know i'm very optimistic and I usually come full circle of solutions

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I was afraid what are people going to think when I just don't have a solution here and

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Lo and behold that became my most viral article ever

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Much I didn't intend for that. I you know, I've also written things like don't send your kids to college

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't own a house

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I never thought anything would go more viral than those because those were pretty viral

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I've also you know, I've written a lot about

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Again my failures and and how I've overcome them and and so on

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So those are the things I like and hate

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Can I that's awesome. Can I just add a follow-up because you kind of touched on a little bit? Um

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_06]: The other question I had was about when you do write like you do because you write about a lot of different topics

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_06]: finances, you know

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_06]: marketing dating um

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_06]: All those different things we have to be vulnerable to write obviously

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_06]: How do you deal with like the backlash of that vulnerability?

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's very hard because and there's different types of backlash, but you know people could hate you about something and

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: People have many ways of debating they can debate the issues or they could debate by saying you're a horrible person

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And explaining why in great detail why you're a horrible person

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's different types of of backlash

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But I've had backlash on almost to some degree on almost every article

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I've written I once wrote an article

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: This is a really long time ago. Um my

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_04]: One of my daughters was like, I don't know 12 years old and this little boy at a party

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know that was in her class tried to kiss her and she was very like flustered

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I wrote an article the next day titled. I hope my daughters are going to be lesbians

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I got a huge backlash on that like all these women wrote or men and women wrote

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, oh wait till your daughters see this when they're older. They're gonna probably hate you

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, hey first off

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever if they hate me for that then

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That's their problem, but

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it it is what it is. You can't

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately you can't care too much

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: If you care too much about what people are gonna think and I do care what people are gonna think probably too much

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you care too much, you're not going to be able to do good writing because then you're just writing

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_04]: In the safe zone. You're writing what everybody else is saying. No, I already read what everybody else is saying

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need I don't need another one like, you know, we have I have a podcast

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably everybody here has a podcast or many listeners might have pot

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: If you land that in jfk airport, they give you a podcast at the gate

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So like everybody's got a podcast and I get constantly pitched

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Guess everybody's written a book how to be a leader at business

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, how to not care what people think about you like this is 6 000 books with these topics and

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Just write something new there's new things out there you could write about and that's the AI is going to replace

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: those people those writers like you have to write about your human experience and

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing perfect. There's nothing perfectly good and there's nothing perfectly bad

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's where we come in and and create the imperfect and and move society forward with that

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that takeaway of I never publish anything unless I'm worried what people will think of me that

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I I heard I was talking to Patrick bet David about this a few weeks ago

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, how do we stand out in podcasting? How we do it? He's like stop agreeing with everybody

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Stop agreeing with people stop saying me to start taking a hard line and those are some great examples

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It also rings true with that episode you just published with Seth Godin

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You just released an episode with Seth Godin. We're talking about purple cow

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're talking about uh how to stand out by finding those interesting edges. Yeah

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Robert has a question here too Robert. Would you like to ask James question here?

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm just going to tag on to to carry his question because when I was reading about you

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: in entrepreneurial space, you said don't start a business unless you love it

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you talked about the article that you didn't have a solution and I kind of feel like

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Entrepreneurship is really providing solutions and starting businesses is about solving problems

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and you expand a little bit on this idea of

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Encouraging people to start a business to solve problems that they I guess love or hate

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like if you personally have the problem and you seek to solve it

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Chances are other people will have that problem

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But now most businesses are not started because

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You personally have a problem. There's nothing wrong with that like someone who buys a laundromat for instance

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: They could have done their laundry at another laundromat. They didn't necessarily need to start a new laundromat

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's many reasons to start a business

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But one thing that's very interesting. I've noticed about most businesses is that

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You create something and you think you have a solution for something

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_04]: but you don't truly know and

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll give an example friend of mine made this cyber security app and

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_04]: His roommate from college was the cio the chief

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: IT officer information officer of a major it's one of the big five to ten tech companies and

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It's his roommate who's the decision maker

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And the product cost 150 thousand dollars

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So he brings his team. He flies out to silicon valley presents to the decision maker the all the whole team of the decision maker is there

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the guy says

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Love this this would save us 40 million dollars a year and you're saying it only costs 150 thousand dollars

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We're in if you just add these one two three features

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We are in we're buying this and so my friend said oh, this is amazing

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It's my friend from college

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He has a huge budget and he said yes

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So my friend goes out raises money for his business finishes the product goes back to the company

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy's like, oh, you know, maybe not this year

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But next year and of course the guy never buys it because maybe he has other things to do with the money

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That's all 50 million dollar problems. So when somebody says yes to you yes, this solves the problem

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: There's no actual information in there. That's like placebo information

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: The only information is when someone says no, here's why because that's real

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: They're really telling you why they're not going to do something

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's a lot of reasons people say yes

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they say yes to get you out of the meeting. They want the meeting to be over. Yes ends the meeting

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That might be the only reason they say yes

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they say yes because they don't know they haven't really thought about what other opportunities they have

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe say they say yes because they think this is cool, but it doesn't really solve

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Their their biggest problem, but no means something

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you have a site and you realize oh not as many people are using this website as I thought

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And every but and everyone's telling my mother is telling me this is a great website

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And all the other people are telling me this is great

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Find someone who doesn't use the website and why they don't use it

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: That's your real problems that you have to solve. Let's say you want to write a book

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's say you want to write a book about leadership

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Look at the top 20 books about leadership on amazon and look at the negative reviews

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: This tells you what none of the authors are saying readers are happy to tell you what you have not given them

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's how you can figure out new topics for books for instance

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So yes, you can find a solution but sometimes

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It takes a while like google had a solution for something

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But they took them a good five years to figure out what it was they had the solution for

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: They had a better advertising solution than any other search engine

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't care about their search engine results. It didn't seem to me any better or worse than altavista

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But google figured out how to be a better solution for advertisers

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that idea of

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Being able to find the nose that that to me is the worst. I I hate this

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Does you any of y'all ever get this where someone reaches out to you and say hey

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I love what you're doing. You're showing up all the time. I just you look so great, but uh, what what do you do?

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there never gotten that before

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That is the worst that is the word like there's nothing worse than someone reaching out giving you a compliment and then asking what it is

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You actually do that's the worst. So anyway, that's really really I think sound advice

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have another question. I've for you james. I don't want to like monopolize the stage

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I have another question. I think it's really important some I'm thinking about

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You've written 25 books

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: multiple bestsellers

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Bucket list for me is writing a book

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want to write a book so my bucket list

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But I wonder if writing a book means the same thing now is it did

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Five ten years ago because quite frankly, I could have my team write a nonfiction book

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: In like an hour just going back into all my old podcast episodes using ai to rewrite it and putting a little bit of mark

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: In there does that like dilute the efficiency or the purpose of books in general? Yes and no

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yes, you you could now use chat tbt and spend an afternoon

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Asking it prompts and it'll write a book. It won't be a good book

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It won't be a well-written book no matter how much, you know people think ai is going to just keep on

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Improving and improving ai is not a good writer

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to take a lot to make ai

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: A good writer and you say your bucket list is to write a book

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But do you love writing for instance? Do you love reading? I read daily?

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't love writing but yeah, I mean I think for me reading is one of the best ways to learn and to

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know get that halo effect. Yeah

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and reading is a good way to learn to write like you read a great writer and you learn to write you have to love

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Like oh my gosh

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_04]: This writer did it this way that this other writer did it that way and I'm going to try this in this new format

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Talking about entrepreneurship instead of you know loving the time of color or whatever

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm going to use that style and and you can experiment and you could have fun writing a book

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Ai is not really going to do that, but let me ask you a question. What what's your hobbies?

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: What are your interests? Oh gosh

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: What's an interest you had as a kid that you've given up because now you have responsibilities and work

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure like used to play a lot of basketball

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Used to you know play video games

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Now all my free time is basically hanging out with the kids. I like to run

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you call running a hobby. Yeah, and and and do you follow basketball games right now

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Not not as much as I used to I mean the heat go heat

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just in the the NBA finals. So I followed that a little bit, but not not super closely

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So like there's a million topics within basketball

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: That could be good for instance. How old are you right now? Just turn 40. Shout out to all the 40 rolls

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, you don't look 40

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So what if you wanted to play basketball right now? How would you how would you go play basketball?

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'd crush it. I'd go to the local the local pickup spot

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I would start draining threes from downtown and I'd be like who wants the new Steph Curry on their squad, right?

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Take Pylon all with you

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like who could crush you if you were to play in in what court would you be crushed in what like street court?

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Would you be crushed? Oh gosh?

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably, you know, just honestly going down and then playing with like the 18 and 22 year olds

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd probably have a rough time in the second round

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And what would it take for you to be as good as them?

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_04]: What kind of work would you have to do to be as good as them to be as good as you once were?

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I probably need Elon to continue to iterate from neuro link to like neuro legs

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be a good start, you know

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But I I bet you with the right training and the right focus and determination

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You could be as good a basketball player as maybe not the best 18 year old

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But like you could get competitive and that would be a journey

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That would be an adventure

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That would be the arc of the hero like you'd be reluctant to do it

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody in your family will be supportive. Your friends would say you're crazy. Why don't you just keep making money?

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, what are you going to spend five hours a day training for a basketball when you're 40 years old?

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But you'll meet your allies along the way and you'll meet the 18 year olds who will crush you and laugh at you

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so more and more enemies and then finally

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully, you know a you'll hit bottom first and then hopefully you'll achieve your dream your goal of like coming back to the

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Basketball court and pursuing your what you loved as a child

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a book about basketball. That's a story. Hey, I can't write that story. I'm just making that up

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a million stories out there. What's the history of the shortest basketball players?

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_04]: in history

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Like how did they get good like I always think of basketball players as really tall people but there are some people in the

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: You know smaller than six foot who became like

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_04]: All-star basketball players. How do they do it? I've never seen a book about that

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So that would be interesting as well. Like I'm thinking and I don't know anything about basketball

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like making it up

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_04]: How does one own a basketball franchise? You could write about the business of basketball

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the history of all the franchises now, you know and and you know how they've got their evaluations

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: How did mark Cuban buy one with Steve bomber? But like what why do all these internet billionaires buying basketball teams?

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Why aren't other billionaires buying basketball teams? So there's all these

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: questions

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious about

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_04]: progress with it could either be personal stories or

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Stories that are unique to your questioning mind

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: These are all books that ai is not going to write and you would do a better job than ai writing them ai is really good like

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you know, then this happened in the revolutionary war

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And then this happened in the constitutional convention and then George

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You know ai is good at like describing things that have happened in a very plain

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Even if you say right in the style of Hemingway, it's not going to be that great

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Hemingway spent 30 years figuring out how to write in the style of Hemingway

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So net took a human brain, which is much more complicated than an ai brain

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And so again the ai is just statistics

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like oh a Hemingway story if it starts with these three words, then this is the next word

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to be a great writer loving writing loving basketball

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: figuring out stories you could tell within that is going to be an incredible book

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to publish anything unless you're worried what people think about you right? Yeah

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I that that to me is probably one of the most important things

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people can hear right now if you want to stand out you need to be willing. I think to make people upset

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you know also nobody should write that something just for the shock value

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But like let's take the first idea for you if you're 40 years old and you want to quit everything

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And pursue your love of basketball get better at basketball once again for the first time since you were 18 years old

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Actually improve with a coach and and whatever

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a little bit like of a shocking kind of story like nobody does that as an adult

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to make sacrifices to do that you might be afraid because maybe people

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Close to you will say oh, you know, I thought he was going to be a

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Entrepreneur or this or that instead. He's just playing basketball something frivolous

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a little bit of fear there

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That reminds me of the Arnold movie on netflix right now

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know the best bodybuilder in the world decides he's going to be an actor

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then his phone goes dead for five years

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But the hero arc like you said which if you haven't watched that net that netflix documentary highly recommend great very good

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that happens to a lot of actors like Henry Winkler who played

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you remember played the fawns on the tv show happy days in the 70s

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Even paul mccartney said

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Henry Winkler is the most famous person on the planet

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Paul mccartney said that in 1977 and then happy days the tv show ended

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Henry Winkler couldn't get a job for eight years because he was typecast same thing with william shatner

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He was typecast

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He was living out of a trailer before the star trek movies came out and he kind of came back

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's hard every everything's hard to life is hard and writing about

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Your little corner of that difficulty is always an interesting story

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant brilliant and of course you can listen to

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: James interview with william shatner on the james alt teacher show

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And every podcast and youtube platform that you like i'll put links below to make it super easy

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: James where's the best place for us to find you if we want to get more james in our life

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess my podcast or my book choose yourself

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Or my books skip the line. Those are my two favorite books that i've written

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant well you find me on twitter too. Well, james. I really appreciate your time

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much so much so much for being here. This was awesome

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for having me on I really appreciate you guys asking me on it is really fun

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Really great questions great stuff from from people listening and I really appreciate it. I enjoy these

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything that I can do for you james anything in particular that we can do to help support you today

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Well next time on miami one-on-one basketball

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go i'm gonna hold you to that i'm gonna hold you to that brother

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Then we'll play chess right afterwards. It'll be basketball chess. I'm down. Yeah, we didn't even get into your your

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: chess master

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Advancement do you think you could be an AI robot in chess?

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_04]: No computers are impossible to beat in chess

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know this because I worked on the first computer that beat garrick asprova 1997

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Though who was the world chess champion at the time?

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, and it's humans were never

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Computers were ever since that moment were always better than humans

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully elon you give us the neural links. We can beat the humans in chess

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Please help us help save us from ourselves

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I think neural link if it fully the full neural link, which is not going to be anytime soon

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But let's say 20 years from now that will end chess as a game because then it's all computers

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of scary that we can't even play games with each other like my daughter will be crushing me in uno

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: finally

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Should be just uno crush me or even poker like poker backgammon anything that relies on statistics or like sheer calculation

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Computers are just better at

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the neuro the link thing is crazy is really crazy

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I you know, I don't want to hold you here, but if you've got if you want to give me a hot take on neural link

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to ask while you're here, you know

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think right now

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's what they're testing is for disabled people because oh

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's send a signal to the specific neurons that move the arm

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And so it'll move like the prosthetic arm that somebody might have but to actually like access the internet

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Retrieve the information and see the information and know the information. I don't think they're anywhere close

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't even know how the brain works really so there's nowhere close to to figuring that out yet

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's a relief because I do think neural link is more of an existential threat

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're thinking about AI. I think neural link

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It really is an existential threat to big chunks of what we love about being human

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm a little pessimistic about that, but I hope it doesn't happen anytime soon because I want I like playing chess

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to play chess against someone with a computer in their head. It's the name would be pointless

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, it's it strikes me that assuming neural link does what it probably could do

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're not going to be replaced by AI

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be replaced by someone that's using AI same concept

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be replaced by neural link

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone using neural link is just going to be much better than you and you're going to have basically two types of humans

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: humans with neural link and humans without neural link and

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: How I don't see how you could possibly compete

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can't it's again like competing in chess against the computer

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_04]: There's no way like if the world chess champion played a computer 100 game match

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He would lose 100 games to zero

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So or maybe maybe maybe he would draw once 99 and a half to one half. Yeah, well

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for solving problems, but uh, I agree with with James here on keeping our humanity

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Humanity is uh, is important thing to be think to think to take sacred hold sacred. I think

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll show up for a tic-tac-toe match

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Tic-tac-toe being a solved game, but yes

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no chess obviously a great game

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully one day we'll beat the robots. I don't know we'll see

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Impos that'll be impossible unless we have neural link

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, uh, yeah again once again, thanks everybody for being here

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always a pleasure hosting these events James. Just glad to be connected be on your radar

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to meeting you in person someday