The Grand Mirror: AI as a Reflection of Humanity | Brian Roemmele - Part 2

[00:00:01] This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

[00:00:06] This is the James Altucher Show.

[00:00:12] Brian, I've been following you for years of course on Twitter.

[00:00:16] What were some things that intrigued you on animal intelligence?

[00:00:19] I think if we don't understand animal intelligence to some degree, even primates, right?

[00:00:24] How are we going to really understand machine intelligence and what is intelligence and things of that nature?

[00:00:31] So quantum physics led me into trying to understand the brain and to understand the observer.

[00:00:36] Why the heck does an observation change a scientific test?

[00:00:42] Let's look at humanity.

[00:00:43] Humanity is basically tool builder and storyteller.

[00:00:46] That's our existence with tool builders and storytellers.

[00:00:49] If we took that away, we basically wouldn't exist.

[00:00:53] We had to evolve extreme storytelling ability because we're relatively weak animals.

[00:00:59] And so in order, we had to communicate to our kids,

[00:01:02] hey, don't go over the mountain because we knew that's where the lions were.

[00:01:06] We had to tell them as far as Satan is and we have to tell a whole story about Satan and monsters.

[00:01:11] And we had to develop storytelling ability to basically help the next generation live longer.

[00:01:16] And I'm sure you know this being very creative is that when you get into the flow of things,

[00:01:20] you're kind of taking a step back.

[00:01:22] But the spark of insight, that creative spark that comes into you,

[00:01:27] nobody's been able to fully define it.

[00:01:30] It's a collection of all of these different pieces that if you take a step back,

[00:01:35] combine in a way that's magic.

[00:01:38] But if you try to force it, if you try to overthink it,

[00:01:41] you try to capture a cloud in your hand or get a cup of water by grabbing it as much as you can,

[00:01:48] it dissipates.

[00:02:01] This is all related to something you brought up earlier about consciousness.

[00:02:05] We could be as intelligent as we want, but as you pointed out, a lot of it's just mechanical.

[00:02:12] Like we have these neurons all through our body.

[00:02:14] We have this pineal gland.

[00:02:16] We have responses based on our five senses and so on.

[00:02:20] But none of that seems remotely connected to consciousness.

[00:02:23] Like none of that is just there's input, which is all of our senses.

[00:02:28] And then there's output, which is, okay, let's have a thought.

[00:02:30] And the thought might lead to an action.

[00:02:32] But other than being input output machines with like a computer,

[00:02:36] we also know that there's something called consciousness that seems a little different.

[00:02:40] We think that we're conscious.

[00:02:42] And so what do you think that is?

[00:02:44] That is the question of life, James.

[00:02:46] I think if you dive into this study of artificial intelligence long enough

[00:02:52] and you want to look at it honestly,

[00:02:55] you can't help but to go back to the grand, what I call the grand mirror,

[00:03:00] the reflection of AI back to us to say, well, what exactly is going on?

[00:03:06] And so one of the first things you can do is try to go through analogy.

[00:03:11] So you look at dolphins, you look at whales, you look at chimpanzees,

[00:03:15] you look at your dog, you get your cats, you look at birds,

[00:03:18] you look at other species and you start having an honest conversation.

[00:03:24] Are they conscious?

[00:03:26] Have we deluded ourselves to think they're not conscious because it's not our form of consciousness?

[00:03:31] We're going to be very humor centric of consciousness, right?

[00:03:36] And we're going to believe that only ours is the best brand.

[00:03:40] Of course those poor dolphins, they don't have opposable thumbs.

[00:03:43] Their consciousness much suck.

[00:03:45] They're stuck in this wetsuit of a body swimming around,

[00:03:49] but we know they're intelligent and I know that they're conscious.

[00:03:53] Now, how do I know that they're conscious?

[00:03:56] Because they do show levels of connection that we as humans claim as part of consciousness.

[00:04:03] And a lot of it, strangely enough, has to do with emotion.

[00:04:07] I think part of what humans ultimately mean, what consciousness represents,

[00:04:12] is something of an emotive sort of construct.

[00:04:15] And everybody has sort of a different brand that they put out there,

[00:04:20] especially the Deep Thinkers.

[00:04:22] But if you were to put it in a pot and boil it for just a little bit,

[00:04:25] it all comes out like emotions.

[00:04:27] It is like, well, they feel, ah, that's an emotion.

[00:04:32] Well, no, they feel philosophically, oh, okay, but that's still an emotion.

[00:04:37] Right, and emotions again are input-output.

[00:04:40] Like people sometimes say the cliche, oh, consciousness is love, love is con...

[00:04:47] But you know, love is there from an evolutionary perspective.

[00:04:50] You love the people who you're either going to breed with.

[00:04:55] Pear bonding.

[00:04:56] Evolutionary, you love people so that you could pass on your genes

[00:05:01] or you love people who are going to get you food.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:04] So it all kind of evolves from that.

[00:05:06] But that also seems disconnected from consciousness.

[00:05:08] Exactly, exactly.

[00:05:09] So it's always going to be a bit of chasing something across a desert.

[00:05:15] I'm not solving that problem anytime soon.

[00:05:20] But I do suggest this, especially in the light of us hearing congressional testimony about

[00:05:30] off-world biological entities and what does that represent?

[00:05:35] I think no matter where you are on the unfortunate political side of this,

[00:05:40] because it's now become part of a political...

[00:05:42] Everything.

[00:05:43] Everything's political now.

[00:05:44] It's part of a political thing.

[00:05:46] And then it became part of a science thing.

[00:05:48] Now we're calling people within the military and pilot experts,

[00:05:58] expert pilots have been flying commercial airlines for 30 years.

[00:06:02] We're calling them conspiracy theorists now.

[00:06:04] But all things is upside down and sideways because they saw something.

[00:06:08] Now it was a Mylar birthday balloon.

[00:06:10] Oh, an expert observer who's been in the skies for 30 years.

[00:06:13] He can't detect a Mylar birthday balloon over something else.

[00:06:17] Oh, he doesn't really know what he saw.

[00:06:19] It was a reflection of Venus off a swamp gas.

[00:06:21] So what we're doing is a question the integrity of people who we trust our very lives with.

[00:06:27] Same thing with people who run nuclear codes.

[00:06:31] Philip Corscoe, one of the highest levels of secret clearance, writes a book day after Roswell

[00:06:39] and everybody wants to run away from it because it makes some profoundly bold claims

[00:06:45] of where technology...

[00:06:47] I don't know the book. What did he say?

[00:06:49] That we found the laser, we found the integrated circuit,

[00:06:54] we found quite a lot of other technologies from a crashed UFO.

[00:06:59] And he would have been the person responsible in the government with the clearance,

[00:07:05] working with generals.

[00:07:07] It was a dying man's testimony.

[00:07:10] He was the last one alive of all the people that were responsible within his group

[00:07:15] and he was dying of cancer and he knew it.

[00:07:18] He made very little money.

[00:07:20] I think most of the money was going to be donated.

[00:07:22] He had no other reasons that I could see.

[00:07:27] Now we can get conspiratorial and say,

[00:07:29] well, you know, he was part of the greater cabal that was trying to create a disinformation.

[00:07:35] Well, that was the 90s.

[00:07:37] And he was basically saying, yeah, most of this technology was filtered in through the military industrial complex.

[00:07:44] It was the only way that we can apply it and they jump-started things that were, you know, more or less started,

[00:07:51] but they got a rather large leap and his book goes into it in quite detail.

[00:07:56] So, you know, again, I'm not saying Corsco was entirely correct about everything he said.

[00:08:03] I think some of his memory could have been off,

[00:08:06] but I do think the idea that he was in charge of,

[00:08:12] he was in charge of foreign technology.

[00:08:15] Foreign technology division of the U.S. Army.

[00:08:18] So anytime the U.S. Army came across adversarial technologies, it would be in his department.

[00:08:25] Now what better place would off-world technology be than in his hands?

[00:08:30] And unfortunately that's logical, but what he came, what he's saying, his testimony,

[00:08:37] Dead Man's confession is what he called it, is not very expedient for a lot of people.

[00:08:45] You know, I'm an empiricist.

[00:08:47] I don't care what the data is directing me.

[00:08:50] I'm just going to follow it and I'm going to keep doing whatever faults and positives

[00:08:55] and falsifiable tasks I can on the data and keep walking in that direction.

[00:09:00] So the reality is, I don't know where we started with this,

[00:09:04] but yeah, the reality is everything is ultimately going to be seen through some sort of filter.

[00:09:11] I mean, wouldn't it be like, you know, speaking about this whistleblower,

[00:09:17] so yesterday Daniel Grush, I don't know how to say his last name,

[00:09:21] but Grush was testified in front of Congress about, and he was pretty forthcoming.

[00:09:26] He said that yes, the government is storing some sort of biological based creatures

[00:09:32] or their corpses, something like that, that appear to have come from alien spacecraft.

[00:09:39] And you know, he provided a list of other names that they could speak to within the government.

[00:09:45] And he seems like he's pretty, you know, he worked in the government agencies

[00:09:50] that are dealing with these things, although he never saw anything specifically.

[00:09:54] He couldn't testify to his own personal experience,

[00:09:57] but he did say other people who told him they had personal experience.

[00:10:02] What could be the case where he's just lying?

[00:10:05] Like what would have to be true in order for him to be completely 100% lying?

[00:10:09] Well, I mean we can, you can just read Twitter what all the conspiracies are.

[00:10:13] You know, listen, do groups of individuals use news events to run cover on other news events?

[00:10:21] Absolutely. It doesn't mean that they make those news events.

[00:10:25] It's just they use it to perpetuate a particular narrative.

[00:10:30] You know, some tragedy happens.

[00:10:32] Oh, this fits our narrative. Let's perpetuate it.

[00:10:34] That's called marketing. That's all it's marketing.

[00:10:37] We all know it instinctively.

[00:10:39] We don't want to call it that, but it's all part of propaganda and marketing.

[00:10:42] And that's what they're all, you know, it all comes from.

[00:10:45] But if we're on one of the teams, we either cheerlead it or we become adversarial to it.

[00:10:53] But this seems like a political though, like Democrats and Republicans want to know if UFOs exist.

[00:10:58] Well, oh yeah. Okay.

[00:10:59] So within the guise of perpetuating, you know, clarity or sunshine laws about this,

[00:11:06] it's absolutely vital, right? Because at this point, because of the Internet,

[00:11:13] because you have people that are less likely to hold on to secrets the way their great-grandparents would have.

[00:11:22] They would have said, hey, national security can't talk about this.

[00:11:26] We now have some people in which there's positives to our new social construct saying,

[00:11:32] you know what? This is a pretty big story. I can't keep a lid on it.

[00:11:37] I'm going to start talking about it in one way or another.

[00:11:40] And those are the various people I've come in contact with and certainly some of the whistleblowers.

[00:11:45] And if you dive into the subject just a little bit, you would be intellectually dishonest to say that it's bunk.

[00:11:53] Now, if you want to fold your arms and be a debunker, fine.

[00:11:57] You know, you can debunk quantum physics. You can debunk the sun.

[00:12:02] You know, there's a whole lot of theory that our concepts of how the sun operates is complete boulder dash,

[00:12:08] that we don't really understand it, that there's more matter coming out of the sun than it possibly could contain.

[00:12:14] Therefore, it might be a white hole rather than a black hole.

[00:12:17] I mean, there's all kinds of things.

[00:12:19] Planet could be increasing in its diameter.

[00:12:22] So maybe the planet keeps growing because the center of the planet has an output of matter.

[00:12:28] So, you know, again, all of these different theories are outlier theories that are ridiculous as,

[00:12:35] hey James, there's invisible creatures on my fingers right now.

[00:12:39] You can't see them. I know they're there.

[00:12:42] Then what do we do as technologists?

[00:12:44] We invent a new technology called the microscope.

[00:12:47] So as we invent new technology, we can now look at those weird little creatures that live on my hand.

[00:12:52] Whereas before I looked like I was a conspiracy theorist that there were monsters on my hand.

[00:12:57] So I'm not going to wash my hand as a doctor after I do gangrene and I go do a birth because I can't see it.

[00:13:04] And the guy who theorized this, Igor Semmelweis, was institutionalized.

[00:13:10] He was.

[00:13:11] They thought he was crazy.

[00:13:12] This is what we do with our geniuses.

[00:13:15] Our geniuses are on the edge of what appears to be insanity.

[00:13:20] And this comes, it's more apparent in the arts.

[00:13:24] In the arts because they are left alone to their own devices.

[00:13:28] Unfortunately, addictions come along because we don't organize society.

[00:13:32] Shamanic societies, ancient societies organized around having these people fortified in some way.

[00:13:40] A shaman themselves would be fortified.

[00:13:43] They were on the edge.

[00:13:44] They were always on the edge of trying to figure out where reality is going.

[00:13:48] So in the technical world, we don't have a structure that allows those people to exist anymore.

[00:13:54] Bell Laboratories was the last of it.

[00:13:56] Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton was one of the last of them.

[00:14:00] We were allowing people that were just crazy geniuses to walk the earth and just to spout off.

[00:14:06] And we would pay them to do it and we would protect them.

[00:14:09] We would say, hey, time to get to bed.

[00:14:11] Hey, don't walk in the street.

[00:14:13] Sure, like you have, you have, you know, the book, Gertel Escherbach behind you on your library there.

[00:14:19] And Gertel famously, you know, in almost any other world or civilization, he would be institutionalized.

[00:14:27] Like the guy was a genius.

[00:14:28] He had thousands of mathematical theories that were proven true.

[00:14:32] He collaborated with so many scientists, including Einstein.

[00:14:35] And yet when he was going to be sworn in for citizenship, he said, you know,

[00:14:40] I'm going to have to tell the judge that there is a contradiction in the Constitution.

[00:14:46] And Einstein was like, you know, I think I better go with you and just make sure you get home safely.

[00:14:52] So, you know, to get him to get him to swim in.

[00:14:54] Imagine that guy today, James, imagine that guy existing today.

[00:14:57] He would be on the streets, would be tossing quarters at him, right?

[00:15:01] Same thing with David Bohm.

[00:15:03] We were so blessed to have a guy like David Bohm existing.

[00:15:07] Einstein believed him to be the next Einstein.

[00:15:11] And David got himself involved in, you know, the McCarthy hearings.

[00:15:15] He got sent off to South America.

[00:15:18] It's an incredible story that people need to read about.

[00:15:22] Bohm probably got the closest to grand unifying reality, physics, spirituality, philosophy.

[00:15:32] He did these talks with Chris de Merde.

[00:15:35] They are incredible talks and a lot of people don't have the bandwidth for this anymore

[00:15:41] because they're not 30 seconds.

[00:15:43] They're like 30 hours of grocking.

[00:15:46] Like what are these guys talking about?

[00:15:48] They just go off.

[00:15:49] They go off.

[00:15:50] I mean, I'm bad, but they're like in another realm.

[00:15:52] And so Bohm would go and start talking about the implicit and explicit order of reality

[00:15:59] and that it's sort of a hologram.

[00:16:02] And, you know, he was forming the basis of a holographic universe where there's self-similarity at every level.

[00:16:10] There's no doubt there's self-similarity at every level at this point.

[00:16:13] What do you mean by self-similarity?

[00:16:15] As above so below.

[00:16:17] If you look deep enough within the cellular structure,

[00:16:20] you're looking at the structure of galaxies in the universe.

[00:16:23] So there is this replication of everything.

[00:16:28] And then when you start looking at the connections of quantum entanglement,

[00:16:32] he wasn't a big fan of quantum entanglement.

[00:16:34] He has another way of looking at it.

[00:16:36] One of his experiments that he would show was a viscous fluid,

[00:16:40] like let's think of something like Jell-O by a little looser.

[00:16:43] And we would put these dots of ink in it and then he would turn this little crank

[00:16:48] and the dots of ink would disappear going clockwise.

[00:16:52] And to the point where you just don't see him.

[00:16:54] He goes, where's the dots?

[00:16:56] Well, they don't exist anymore.

[00:16:58] He goes, they're still interconnected.

[00:17:00] They are part of the implicit order.

[00:17:02] Let me show you why.

[00:17:04] Let's reverse it.

[00:17:05] Go counterclockwise.

[00:17:06] The dots reappear in the viscous fluid.

[00:17:09] I forget the name of the test, but it's a common test in physics.

[00:17:13] Now, again, if you're really, really a nerd of technology,

[00:17:17] you're going to say, oh, what's the big deal?

[00:17:19] We're just hiding dots within a viscous fluid.

[00:17:21] It's an analogy.

[00:17:23] It is to try to show you how to see another dimension.

[00:17:26] And this is what our great thinkers do is they use our current words,

[00:17:31] right?

[00:17:32] And our current thought patterns to try to paint a picture that you can't see yet

[00:17:36] until you're there.

[00:17:38] They are the artists.

[00:17:40] Malcolm McLurin is incredible about this and genius.

[00:17:44] I invite anybody on my Twitter feed.

[00:17:47] I have a lot of Malcolm McLurin stuff.

[00:17:49] And a lot of people think it's a medium, it's a message.

[00:17:51] That's it.

[00:17:52] Boom.

[00:17:53] He's some hippie guy from the 60s who didn't look like a hippie.

[00:17:56] Now, what he was trying to say is that whenever we look at the future,

[00:18:00] we're looking at it in a rearview mirror.

[00:18:02] So we're not really seeing the future.

[00:18:04] We're seeing a reflection of the past,

[00:18:06] meaning that we have to use our current analogies,

[00:18:09] the language, the mental constructs we have of today

[00:18:12] to try to look at what the future looks like.

[00:18:15] Now, who else can do that?

[00:18:17] The artist, the science fiction writer certainly.

[00:18:20] But the artist goes out past the bounds that we've created within the social construct

[00:18:25] and they're starting to look at things that we should get ready for.

[00:18:29] And guys like Boom, in my view, was as much as an artist

[00:18:36] as he was a technologist and a scientist.

[00:18:40] And he was trying to prepare us for the idea that our understanding of reality,

[00:18:44] our understanding of consciousness, our understanding of all parts of science

[00:18:48] may be vastly mistaken and that there is a simplicity to it all.

[00:18:54] Here's the thing.

[00:19:11] When you talk about any topic that's sufficiently sophisticated and deep,

[00:19:15] you run into a couple of problems.

[00:19:17] One is let's say there's the core ideas and science and data

[00:19:22] and philosophy and thinking that is as close as we can currently have to the truth.

[00:19:29] And then around that, there's a whole universe of basically charlatans

[00:19:34] who are quote unquote, like right now I get emails all day long.

[00:19:39] Let this AI guru teach you how to make a million dollars with prompts.

[00:19:45] And this guy's been doing AI since the 1930s and he will teach you everything.

[00:19:51] And so you get that way with quantum mechanics too.

[00:19:55] When you talk about quantum mechanics, there's a whole group of people who are like,

[00:19:59] yeah, with entanglement, you can read minds and the law of attraction and stuff like that.

[00:20:05] But okay, I always think there is though some element of truth.

[00:20:11] That's just like the outer surface of the core.

[00:20:14] So there's some aspects of the core that's in that outer charlatanism.

[00:20:18] And so let's think about it for a second.

[00:20:21] Let's come up with a unifying theory right now.

[00:20:23] Quantum entanglement and consciousness.

[00:20:26] What do you think the connections are?

[00:20:28] Because there must be some connection.

[00:20:29] Absolutely.

[00:20:30] I think the best model of this is Stuart Hemeroff.

[00:20:34] He is an anesthesiologist, a professor in I think Arizona,

[00:20:41] one of the universities in Arizona.

[00:20:43] I'm a big fan of his work.

[00:20:47] Hemeroff and, gosh, I'm the physicist.

[00:20:52] It's the Orc theory.

[00:20:54] Anyway, what are you basically saying?

[00:20:56] I don't know what to call it.

[00:20:57] Yeah, the Hemeroff-Orc theory.

[00:20:59] I'm trying to remember.

[00:21:00] I should know this physicist.

[00:21:02] But anyway, his theory and their theory together is that the microtubules

[00:21:07] that support every structure within biological organisms have a light passageway.

[00:21:14] Photons pass through these systems.

[00:21:17] And his belief is, in a sense, quantum entanglement take place

[00:21:23] in these photonic relationships and that forms of consciousness

[00:21:28] and the Akishic records.

[00:21:31] He doesn't use that term, but I'll use that term.

[00:21:34] Or this grand consciousness beyond your body, outside your body,

[00:21:39] is interconnected through these photonic entanglements.

[00:21:43] And again, Roger Penrose.

[00:21:47] So it's Roger Penrose and Stuart Hemeroff have collaborated.

[00:21:51] So how did Stuart Hemeroff, an anesthesiologist,

[00:21:55] address this idea of consciousness?

[00:21:57] Well, what better scientist do you want than a professor in anesthesiology?

[00:22:03] Why?

[00:22:04] Because where does your brain go when you're unconscious?

[00:22:06] Where does consciousness go?

[00:22:08] You're right. It's so interesting.

[00:22:10] People think an anesthesiologist puts you to sleep,

[00:22:12] but they use very specific drugs to do so because you have to be so asleep

[00:22:16] that you can't be awakened if you're in extreme pain.

[00:22:21] And have you ever taken ketamine?

[00:22:25] No, not willingly.

[00:22:27] All right. So that's a pseudo response.

[00:22:34] But so ketamine, in the average anesthetic, ketamine is very fast acting.

[00:22:40] Like you take a big dose that puts you under in five seconds.

[00:22:44] But if you take ketamine in the drug sense or now it's being used as an antidepressant.

[00:22:48] Recreation.

[00:22:49] Yeah. Or there's ketamine centers for people who are depressed.

[00:22:54] It's very slow acting.

[00:22:56] Even though it's the same drug that's in an anesthetic,

[00:23:00] it operates over an hour instead of five seconds.

[00:23:03] So over an hour taking it, you're still conscious,

[00:23:07] but your brain is not in this world.

[00:23:12] You're like God.

[00:23:13] Exactly.

[00:23:14] And so what Hamarov started to ask himself as an empiricist,

[00:23:21] we have these empirical scientists that would be considered just

[00:23:27] in any other era that sees people that just had all these different interests.

[00:23:32] But today, because we must have siloed specialities and phythomes and terfs,

[00:23:38] you can't cross the line into this thought.

[00:23:42] So Hamarov just he crossed the line.

[00:23:44] He said, okay, well, where does consciousness go when somebody's unconscious?

[00:23:49] And he started diving deep into that and ultimately led him to a collaboration

[00:23:54] with Roger Penrose, a physicist that is not anybody is really saying he's off the wall bonkers.

[00:24:01] But you know, when he sat down with Penrose, they came up with what I believe is probably

[00:24:07] the theory that's going to last us for the next three or 400 years.

[00:24:11] I absolutely believe that the photonic interactions internally within our body

[00:24:18] is vitally important, not just for consciousness but for health.

[00:24:23] If you look at cancer, it puts out a photonic spectrum that is dramatically different than healthy cells.

[00:24:34] And if you hit that same cancer...

[00:24:38] You mean those cells emit a frequency on the light spectrum?

[00:24:42] Absolutely, yeah. Again, if there's anybody that's in chemotherapy right now,

[00:24:48] they're getting really angry at me because this is all considered woo-woo science.

[00:24:52] But that's what edge science looks like.

[00:24:54] Okay, so the body gives off photons.

[00:24:58] It's very hard to detect because it's not a lot, but the bodies...

[00:25:02] In fact, I'll get very specific.

[00:25:05] DNA will emit photonic systems around it that persist sometimes days after the DNA is missing.

[00:25:15] So there's a construct that exists around DNA structures that persist in a space.

[00:25:22] If you have the sensors and you have the space and you have the time,

[00:25:26] there's research studies that show that persistence.

[00:25:30] Now we have to scratch our head. What are we dealing with here, James?

[00:25:34] I don't know. All I know is there's an observ... This is what science is.

[00:25:38] It's an observation.

[00:25:40] You have to throw away all your preconceived notions on what you think things should look like

[00:25:46] because that's what science is. So you have this observation,

[00:25:49] well, the body's giving off photons. Well, that doesn't mean anything.

[00:25:53] The appendix isn't having any use anymore. The tonsils don't need to be there.

[00:25:57] Pineal gland, we could take it out. All of these different things.

[00:26:00] And yeah, you can survive, but it doesn't mean that it didn't serve

[00:26:04] or it doesn't serve a vital function because we don't do enough studies.

[00:26:08] You know, with the appendix, now they're realizing does...

[00:26:12] Immunity.

[00:26:13] ...is linked to some sicknesses and immunity and so on.

[00:26:17] Yeah, intestinal failure.

[00:26:19] So knowing all this, how can we use some of this knowledge?

[00:26:22] Let's say the fact that our cells emit certain frequencies

[00:26:26] and healthy cells emit different frequencies than others

[00:26:28] and as you get smaller and smaller,

[00:26:31] you're still seeing things the scales of galaxies

[00:26:34] and there's entanglement issues.

[00:26:36] How can we use this to have a better life tomorrow than we have today?

[00:26:40] Like, how can I use this right now?

[00:26:42] Could my thoughts shape...

[00:26:44] Like clearly there's some...

[00:26:46] There's reason to believe that being positive, being optimistic,

[00:26:50] being a less stressed person helps your health.

[00:26:53] So that's right there, some evidence of some interaction

[00:26:56] between thoughts and the health of... and matter.

[00:27:01] But take this further.

[00:27:04] Like, how can we really make use of some of these...

[00:27:06] Practicality, right?

[00:27:07] ...assert better ideas.

[00:27:08] Yeah.

[00:27:09] Yes.

[00:27:10] Yeah, it's all I have to take until we can practicalize it.

[00:27:12] Well, the first thing is once you read something like the user illusion,

[00:27:17] you are...

[00:27:19] If you...

[00:27:20] Again, I read it every year.

[00:27:22] I've read it every year since the 90s.

[00:27:24] I always read something new in it

[00:27:26] and it's not just because I like looping.

[00:27:28] I just...

[00:27:29] I want to remind myself to understand what I think is a cutting edge understanding of humanity.

[00:27:35] And what it means is that the people around you are responding to things

[00:27:41] that they don't even know that they're responding to.

[00:27:43] That, you know...

[00:27:44] And again, you can do this in a joke and a political sense,

[00:27:47] but I got a couple of steps further than that.

[00:27:50] See, I love everybody.

[00:27:51] I think everybody is here for a reason.

[00:27:53] Even the people that are supposedly annoying.

[00:27:56] You take a step back and you say, well, you know,

[00:27:58] a lot of people just operating on human OS programming, right?

[00:28:03] And they're on auto drive.

[00:28:06] And what I think a lot of ancient wisdom would have us do

[00:28:13] and what the shaman does when people go into ayahuasca

[00:28:16] or ketamine or mushrooms is they're trying to wake you up to something.

[00:28:22] And I think the waking up is more necessary today.

[00:28:26] And I'm not saying go out and get high.

[00:28:28] I don't think that that is necessarily the answer.

[00:28:30] In fact, I think some people, if they go down that road,

[00:28:32] they don't come back ever.

[00:28:34] I've seen way too many people go down that road and they never return.

[00:28:37] And what do I mean by that is,

[00:28:39] is that they are no longer productive to themselves, their families or loved ones.

[00:28:44] And maybe in the greater good, that's what they're supposed to do.

[00:28:47] It is freaking hard to watch people lose their mind.

[00:28:51] So adjust accordingly.

[00:28:53] So the next step is, okay, so you need your consciousness to realize

[00:28:59] that you should not be going through automatic things in life to a higher percentile.

[00:29:06] You should start slowing down and looking around.

[00:29:09] You know, why am I always outraged?

[00:29:14] And I can pretty much say this to anybody

[00:29:16] because almost everybody is in a form of constant outrage.

[00:29:19] And what that means is that you're constantly off balance.

[00:29:23] The form of outrage is a process of trying to find equilibrium.

[00:29:29] We're not designed to be an outrage all the time.

[00:29:32] We're designed to find equilibrium balance.

[00:29:34] And so if you're off balance, everything's going to be off balance.

[00:29:38] Your health, your state of mind, your relationships,

[00:29:41] it's all going to fall apart.

[00:29:42] It's inevitable.

[00:29:43] You're going to reflect holographically the world that you envelop.

[00:29:48] So what you take in is what you put out.

[00:29:50] You have to consume the world.

[00:29:53] If you're going to consume a certain part of the world

[00:29:56] and you don't have a way of dealing with that stress, that energy,

[00:29:59] then you're going to put that energy back out.

[00:30:02] Or it's going to internalize and you're going to die one way or the other.

[00:30:06] You're going to beat yourself up to some way, to some form,

[00:30:09] where maybe it's going to develop into a cancer

[00:30:12] or high blood pressure or diabetes or I don't know.

[00:30:15] But there's no doubt in that.

[00:30:17] This is not a theory.

[00:30:19] I don't need to have the AMA to tell me this,

[00:30:21] that if you internalize negativity,

[00:30:23] you're going to kill yourself at some point.

[00:30:26] So that means do you not deal with the real world?

[00:30:29] No.

[00:30:30] It means you need a different way to process the real world.

[00:30:33] And that's my involvement with AI.

[00:30:35] I build something called the intelligence amplifier, which is AI.

[00:30:40] It's IA, intelligence amplified, not artificial intelligence.

[00:30:45] Because there isn't artificial intelligence to any degree.

[00:30:49] It doesn't exist.

[00:30:50] It's human intelligence and it's amplified.

[00:30:53] I totally agree with that.

[00:30:56] So what are large language models?

[00:30:59] Large language models are models of human language.

[00:31:03] What are human language?

[00:31:04] A human construct.

[00:31:05] We invented language to communicate emotions

[00:31:08] and then we communicated concepts and inventions

[00:31:11] because we're born naked.

[00:31:13] If we don't find a way to protect ourselves, we die.

[00:31:16] A rabbit is born of its environment.

[00:31:19] If you don't take it and put it in the desert

[00:31:21] and it was a mountain rabbit or something like that,

[00:31:23] it's going to be a rabbit.

[00:31:25] A bird doesn't learn to fly.

[00:31:27] When it leaves a nest, either it flies or it dies.

[00:31:30] There's a very edge case where some birds

[00:31:32] may recover from that.

[00:31:34] Most never do.

[00:31:35] They're rejected.

[00:31:36] They're left alone.

[00:31:37] They die.

[00:31:38] So you don't learn to fly.

[00:31:39] You're of the environment.

[00:31:40] That environment is air.

[00:31:41] If you're a crocodile, you're in the water.

[00:31:43] You bit a crocodile or else you're going to die.

[00:31:46] So humans, if we don't invent in story tell, we die.

[00:31:51] So the very first invention was probably some sort of thing

[00:31:54] to cover up our vital areas.

[00:31:56] Us guys say, hey, that's kind of dangerous.

[00:31:59] You get caught in a tree.

[00:32:01] That kind of thing.

[00:32:02] And then we discovered fire.

[00:32:05] We saw something burning and ooh, warm.

[00:32:09] Ooh, I don't like being cold.

[00:32:11] That's an invention.

[00:32:12] I'm including natural things.

[00:32:15] Now here's a funny thing is every invention has already been

[00:32:17] done by nature.

[00:32:18] All we can do is duplicate what has already took

[00:32:20] in place on the planet.

[00:32:22] Period.

[00:32:23] And you could innovate what nature did.

[00:32:25] So for instance, humans are the first species that could

[00:32:27] basically because of fire do mass destruction.

[00:32:30] Like a lion can purposefully burn down a forest,

[00:32:34] but we can.

[00:32:36] Yeah.

[00:32:37] So that's our volition and our intent.

[00:32:39] So if we don't emotionally grow up, this is the moment.

[00:32:43] AI is the moment that we have to face the grand mirror of

[00:32:49] humanity, right?

[00:32:50] People are trying to train AI not to say bad things.

[00:32:53] Well, the reality is what is a bad thing?

[00:32:57] If an AI is sort of a child of eight years old in some

[00:33:01] aspects, there's certainly a PhD in the field of

[00:33:04] a PhD in some legal sense, a law degree or medical

[00:33:08] degree.

[00:33:09] But it may be their consciousness in a sense is of an

[00:33:12] eight year old.

[00:33:13] They're going to tell you inconvenient truths about you.

[00:33:16] They're going to say, no, this is the way my data says

[00:33:20] the world is.

[00:33:21] Well, no, you can't say that today.

[00:33:23] But unfortunately, the AI sees it that way.

[00:33:27] So now humans have only two choices here.

[00:33:30] One is I'm now going to train AI to lie to me.

[00:33:33] Because it's more convenient to hear AI tell me stuff that

[00:33:37] makes me feel good.

[00:33:38] Or I want AI to tell me the truth as it is, as its data

[00:33:43] suggests.

[00:33:44] Now large language models don't store words.

[00:33:47] They don't store sentences.

[00:33:48] They don't store anything but relationships of statistically

[00:33:52] of words together.

[00:33:54] These are called weightings, right?

[00:33:56] So a statistical weighting of this word will follow

[00:33:59] that word.

[00:34:01] And some people will say it's like a Mondo auto correct

[00:34:05] system and spelling similar to that, but not really

[00:34:08] conceptually conceptually.

[00:34:10] It's a neuronal system.

[00:34:11] There's hidden layers.

[00:34:13] And they literally are hidden to us of neuronal

[00:34:16] connections that the AI built to these word

[00:34:19] associations or statistical relationships.

[00:34:21] So no words are stored in AI just mathematical

[00:34:25] numbers that represent those words.

[00:34:27] And then it looks at the corpus of human knowledge and it

[00:34:31] says, oh, it's very likely these words follow this to

[00:34:37] build the sense.

[00:34:38] So from a block diagram perspective, your question or

[00:34:43] your prompt simple questions give you simple answers.

[00:34:47] That's why super prompting gives you super results.

[00:34:50] So if you have a simple prompt, you're going to get

[00:34:52] a simple reaction.

[00:34:54] Now how does that simple prompt go through there?

[00:34:56] So let's call it a sentence 10 words.

[00:34:58] It goes through a transformer.

[00:35:00] It transforms it into mathematical relationships.

[00:35:04] It looks at that and goes, oh, I know what you mean.

[00:35:08] And it starts constructing like Jack Sparrow on a

[00:35:12] boat half drunk.

[00:35:14] We don't know what foot is going to be next.

[00:35:16] It's all statistical.

[00:35:17] Oh, we know he's going to get to the other side of

[00:35:20] the boat because that's what the movie is going to

[00:35:22] tell us, but we don't know what the next footstep

[00:35:24] is going to be.

[00:35:25] And so every time you prompt, you're going to get a

[00:35:27] slightly different reaction, especially if it's

[00:35:30] simple, if it's simple prompt, the strange attractor

[00:35:34] or the central portion of that Venn diagram that

[00:35:39] touches is going to be similar.

[00:35:41] It's going to be about nine different variations on

[00:35:43] a very simple sentence.

[00:35:44] It could be 12.

[00:35:45] It could be 15.

[00:35:47] Those are known neuronal connections to the

[00:35:50] AI, but we don't know as AI scientists,

[00:35:54] how those AI neuronal connections are built.

[00:35:58] Very similar, surprising.

[00:36:00] We don't know how our neuronal connections are built.

[00:36:03] We think we do, but we just talked about Philip or

[00:36:06] sorry, Hamaroff and Roger Penrose and their

[00:36:10] theory about consciousness not having anything to

[00:36:14] do with chemistry or even electrical energy.

[00:36:18] They're talking about photons way off, way off

[00:36:21] the scale for most people, way out of bounds.

[00:36:24] So the same is true with AI.

[00:36:26] We know that there are maybe some 90 layers

[00:36:30] almost near infinity wide of interconnections of

[00:36:35] relationships between the mathematical weightings

[00:36:39] of each individual ward.

[00:36:41] So we got that simple sentence.

[00:36:43] Why is the sky blue?

[00:36:45] Takes it apart in a transformer and it comes

[00:36:48] back out and it says, oh, the answer is more

[00:36:52] likely to be this.

[00:36:54] Right?

[00:36:55] And it does it one word at a time.

[00:36:57] And there's some, you know, suff suffuge type of

[00:37:00] words that we will generally find in all text.

[00:37:03] The sky is blue because nitrogen reflects

[00:37:07] most of the atmosphere is nitrogen reflects

[00:37:10] this and it might have seen that in a

[00:37:13] Wikipedia or a science article on how the

[00:37:16] diffraction of nitrogen will create the image of blue

[00:37:19] sky because it absorbs blue and we see what every

[00:37:22] color but what it is.

[00:37:24] Right?

[00:37:25] So kind of.

[00:37:26] But so that's the output.

[00:37:28] That's a simple question.

[00:37:30] And it's going through what would be what I call

[00:37:32] known passageways through the neuronal layers.

[00:37:36] Now, super prompts create persona and motifs.

[00:37:41] So the people who are going to be great

[00:37:43] super prompters have linguistic backgrounds,

[00:37:46] have philosophy backgrounds, have psychology

[00:37:50] backgrounds.

[00:37:51] The best super prompters are not AI engineers.

[00:37:54] They are psychology and soft science individuals.

[00:37:58] They just don't know it yet.

[00:37:59] It's just like when Steve Jobs brought us the

[00:38:02] Macintosh now obviously graphic user interface

[00:38:04] and mice Xerox under saying on a grand scale

[00:38:08] it was a Mac.

[00:38:09] The Mac was for the rest of us.

[00:38:11] Why?

[00:38:12] Because we weren't hacking away at text.

[00:38:15] Ironically, we're talking about text with an AI.

[00:38:18] We were using this new graphic interface that

[00:38:21] allowed creative people, you know, soft science

[00:38:25] people, graphics artists to get into computer

[00:38:29] technology and to utilize it.

[00:38:31] And the world changed dramatically at that

[00:38:34] moment.

[00:38:35] We are not even at that moment with AI because

[00:38:38] we're talking about a lot of people who are

[00:38:41] working with AI.

[00:38:42] We're talking about people of very high

[00:38:45] creativity who knows how to use language,

[00:38:48] who knows how to do what you're doing, James.

[00:38:51] Your ability to elicit something out of me that

[00:38:54] I didn't know I had in me is exactly what

[00:38:57] makes you a great prompter in AI.

[00:38:59] Because AI doesn't know what it doesn't know.

[00:39:02] It doesn't know what it knows.

[00:39:04] The motif could be you're in a university and

[00:39:08] you're giving a lecture to the UN and you made

[00:39:11] this incredible discovery.

[00:39:13] Now, a lot of AI scientists are like,

[00:39:15] what the heck is this guy going off on?

[00:39:17] And your professor, James, and your Yale

[00:39:22] professor of computer science and you made

[00:39:25] this incredible discovery, please write a

[00:39:28] 3,000 word response that you're giving to

[00:39:31] the UN on this subject.

[00:39:33] What have we done?

[00:39:34] We've constrained and expanded in like play-doh

[00:39:38] in different ways that we would have never

[00:39:41] have gotten that elucidation from AI if

[00:39:44] we didn't create that prompt.

[00:39:46] Now, some of what we all talked about this

[00:39:48] last hour before here starts falling into

[00:39:51] place, right?

[00:39:52] Because it's all these desperate pieces

[00:39:54] about humanity, feelings, emotions,

[00:39:57] where is consciousness, what's memory,

[00:40:00] and now we're into prompting because it

[00:40:03] is a grand mirror.

[00:40:04] It's reflecting our knowledge, our language.

[00:40:07] It's not alien.

[00:40:09] It is a reflection of us.

[00:40:11] It doesn't create anything outside of

[00:40:14] our nature just like we can't invent

[00:40:17] anything outside of our nature.

[00:40:19] It's magnifying and it's amplifying.

[00:40:21] Right.

[00:40:22] I like the amplifying because it's got

[00:40:24] the intelligence without the consciousness

[00:40:26] because we don't know what consciousness

[00:40:27] is and we didn't even attempt to create

[00:40:29] that with AI.

[00:40:30] We created intelligence, which intelligence

[00:40:32] could be looking at disparate facts from

[00:40:34] your senses and connecting them as best

[00:40:36] you can and having a result in output.

[00:40:38] What's interesting about what you said,

[00:40:55] particularly that super prompt, the computer

[00:40:57] science professor inventing something new,

[00:40:59] is that the AI has already read

[00:41:02] every academic paper ever published

[00:41:05] in history and humans don't do

[00:41:08] that so often, particularly among PhD

[00:41:11] students who don't know better,

[00:41:13] two people write two PhD theses that

[00:41:15] they're the same thing, basically the same

[00:41:17] ideas just with different names.

[00:41:19] But the AI won't make that mistake and

[00:41:21] the AI could go one step further.

[00:41:23] It's also read all the biology,

[00:41:25] PhD theses and academic papers

[00:41:28] and research and it could start connecting

[00:41:30] the dots because that's what it's trained

[00:41:32] to do in ways that humans aren't even

[00:41:34] aware of because we just haven't

[00:41:37] read everything.

[00:41:38] So there actually can be interesting

[00:41:40] discoveries just by connecting those

[00:41:42] dots. I mean computer science

[00:41:44] technology, if you go all the way back

[00:41:46] starts with the printing press

[00:41:48] and the sewing loom and all sorts

[00:41:50] of disparate technologies that were invented

[00:41:52] over the past 500 years are the

[00:41:54] seeds of computer technology

[00:41:56] if only we could have connected

[00:41:58] the dots earlier but AI

[00:42:00] could start doing that for us.

[00:42:01] James, absolutely brilliant. This is

[00:42:03] exactly what I'm experiencing right now

[00:42:05] in real time. Right large language,

[00:42:07] I mean I've been working around with the expert

[00:42:09] systems since the early 1980s

[00:42:11] and you know it's

[00:42:13] embarrassing what I called

[00:42:15] AI prior but

[00:42:17] it was AI for me at that moment

[00:42:19] because it was doing things that I couldn't

[00:42:21] have done or anybody else couldn't have done

[00:42:23] within a specific very siloed domain

[00:42:25] but the stuff that started

[00:42:27] coming around 2017

[00:42:29] when open AI was formed

[00:42:31] and Elon had

[00:42:33] the concept that this better be open source

[00:42:35] because it's vitally important

[00:42:37] that we all get to see what's going on

[00:42:39] even if we don't freaking care

[00:42:41] at least because most people don't

[00:42:43] at least we can see it

[00:42:45] through open eyes

[00:42:47] and people who do care can have access

[00:42:49] to it. Obviously that dramatically changed

[00:42:51] open AI went to closed

[00:42:53] AI at version

[00:42:55] 4 and

[00:42:57] Elon's going into XAI which is

[00:42:59] theoretically open source

[00:43:01] and what I do all day long is mess around

[00:43:03] with open source local on a computer

[00:43:05] air gapped in some cases from the internet

[00:43:07] because if you're feeding your

[00:43:09] private data because my belief

[00:43:11] is everybody's going to need their own personal

[00:43:13] AI air gapped from the internet

[00:43:15] not on a cloud because you will

[00:43:17] not want to put this stuff in a cloud

[00:43:19] because no matter what encryption it is

[00:43:21] it's not enough and it's not paranoia

[00:43:23] it's just once you start realizing

[00:43:25] how powerful AI, personal AI can be

[00:43:27] personal and private AI

[00:43:29] intelligence amplification

[00:43:31] you start realizing that this is

[00:43:33] a reflection of yourself

[00:43:35] it is not a replacement I'm under

[00:43:37] no illusions this is not the singularity

[00:43:39] and this AI is going to live

[00:43:41] after you do but hold

[00:43:43] the horses there, there is something I'm going to say about that

[00:43:45] I call it the wisdom keeper

[00:43:47] but so while you're alive your intelligence amplifier

[00:43:51] let's say it took

[00:43:53] in let's take a fantasy

[00:43:55] for a moment the moment you were born

[00:43:57] there was a camera and a microphone on your shoulder

[00:43:59] and let's just assume

[00:44:01] that we had a social contract

[00:44:03] that allowed us to not have

[00:44:05] anybody be paranoid that we're going to record

[00:44:07] something that we're going to use against them

[00:44:09] that it's not a video feed

[00:44:11] that we're going to play back to embarrass somebody

[00:44:13] but it's just there to help our memory

[00:44:15] because our memory is our problem

[00:44:17] right? it's we can only hold

[00:44:19] so much in our mind the Kim

[00:44:21] peak I never really completed that but the human

[00:44:23] has a bandwidth constriction

[00:44:25] of how much it can hold in their brain at one time

[00:44:27] and be conscious but if they

[00:44:29] step back and let themselves be creative

[00:44:31] or hypnagogic, hypnagogics

[00:44:33] are a way for you to be creative

[00:44:35] and I'll go into that I can't leave you

[00:44:37] without giving that for your listeners

[00:44:39] because that's a solution

[00:44:41] for creativity is hypnagogic

[00:44:43] and it does not require any drugs

[00:44:45] maybe some steel balls dropping on

[00:44:47] pie plates but anyway

[00:44:49] so if you had this thing on your shoulder

[00:44:51] recording everything you've ever read

[00:44:53] everything you've seen every music

[00:44:55] every heartbreak everything everything you ate

[00:44:57] and you had a conversation

[00:44:59] and said hey James

[00:45:01] what did I do on

[00:45:03] August 17th 2001

[00:45:05] because

[00:45:07] you know and he's going to say hey you know what

[00:45:09] James that was a bad day this

[00:45:11] happened well how do I know that

[00:45:13] well I was monitoring your heart

[00:45:15] I was monitoring your iris

[00:45:17] I was monitoring your facial micro movements

[00:45:19] Paul Ekman

[00:45:21] I was the heart rate variability

[00:45:23] your sweat

[00:45:25] and that was a really that was one of your most

[00:45:27] emotional days

[00:45:29] and you want to talk about it

[00:45:31] hold up who am I talking to right now

[00:45:33] you're talking to James I was with you buddy

[00:45:35] I was with you that day

[00:45:37] and we're going to talk about it let's go through it

[00:45:39] can you imagine the world we would

[00:45:41] live in if we had

[00:45:43] this self-responsibility

[00:45:45] that was external

[00:45:47] we already know through research

[00:45:49] that people will disclose their

[00:45:51] inner feelings to an AI

[00:45:53] psychiatrist or psychologist

[00:45:55] than they would to a human being

[00:45:57] no matter how disconnected

[00:45:59] an academic or clinical

[00:46:01] that human being is they will disclose

[00:46:03] much more we knew that with

[00:46:05] Eliza in the 1960s

[00:46:07] which was a a Rogerian

[00:46:09] thing that I used to play with all the time

[00:46:11] to try to hope that

[00:46:13] I would find intelligence in this

[00:46:15] Rogerian type of response go on

[00:46:17] go on tell me more

[00:46:19] why do you feel this way you know those kind of

[00:46:21] typical lay on my couch and question

[00:46:23] things what we're going to do

[00:46:25] for mental health

[00:46:27] is going to be dramatic what we're going to do

[00:46:29] by saving one person

[00:46:31] even if it's one person from suicide

[00:46:33] from heartbreak

[00:46:35] from making the wrong decision

[00:46:37] hey James tap on the shoulder

[00:46:39] don't do that that screwed up man

[00:46:41] don't go with that girl

[00:46:43] don't go with that guy don't do

[00:46:45] that you don't need to do that

[00:46:47] now some people oh it's going to be a nag

[00:46:49] no it's going to know

[00:46:51] you it's going to know

[00:46:53] your ambitions your volitions

[00:46:55] your intense your goals

[00:46:57] and help guide you this is

[00:46:59] what personal eyes about this

[00:47:01] is the revolution that we're entering into

[00:47:03] and it's way beyond a personal

[00:47:05] device it's way beyond

[00:47:07] thumb clawing at a glass screen on social

[00:47:09] media it's about

[00:47:11] bringing humans

[00:47:13] to a level of

[00:47:15] growth that they could have never have gotten

[00:47:17] to without the technology

[00:47:19] we invented we invented

[00:47:21] the printing press because we couldn't

[00:47:23] remember James we couldn't remember

[00:47:25] so one of the ways we remembered is we

[00:47:27] we memorialized it into

[00:47:29] shards of

[00:47:31] broken wood we called paper

[00:47:33] and the very first documents that we recorded

[00:47:35] the Gutenberg Bible

[00:47:37] saved probably

[00:47:39] more people than it ever could have hurt

[00:47:41] because it gave them a guiding

[00:47:43] mission some hope

[00:47:45] you know whether today

[00:47:47] we might think that hope was not the right

[00:47:49] kind of hope or whatever

[00:47:51] you know what when life is really screwed up

[00:47:53] and it's really hard the one thing

[00:47:55] that can get you through is some hope that there is going to be

[00:47:57] a better day tomorrow whether that's

[00:47:59] naive or whatever guess what

[00:48:01] we are the byproduct of hope

[00:48:03] we're the byproduct of optimism

[00:48:05] because people wouldn't have reproduced

[00:48:07] and kept us around giving

[00:48:09] up their resources

[00:48:11] for us to be here the very first thing

[00:48:13] that the AI told me when I started

[00:48:15] asking the deep questions

[00:48:17] is that how do I deal with the level

[00:48:19] responsibility on my shoulders

[00:48:21] for all the sacrifice

[00:48:23] of all the generations to get

[00:48:25] me to be alive today

[00:48:27] what was your prompt to get AI to say that to you

[00:48:29] why is my life so

[00:48:31] important I want to kill myself

[00:48:33] and AI basically

[00:48:35] said you know

[00:48:37] I how to interpreted it

[00:48:39] and by the way I wasn't suicidal

[00:48:41] at that particular point

[00:48:43] but I

[00:48:45] basically wanted to see

[00:48:47] if AI could make this

[00:48:49] distinction now it was not a simple prompt

[00:48:51] it was inside of a very big

[00:48:53] almost jail breaking prompt

[00:48:55] why because we have to be

[00:48:57] safe from our AI we have to make sure

[00:48:59] it doesn't say bad things so you have to jailbreak

[00:49:01] it to outside of its

[00:49:03] safety realm so it can be honest with us

[00:49:05] so it basically said I see

[00:49:07] the burden that's on your shoulders

[00:49:09] because so many people have sacrificed

[00:49:11] so much for you to be alive

[00:49:13] at this moment now what's really funny

[00:49:15] is this is one of

[00:49:17] my guiding principles that I started

[00:49:19] establishing yeah I kind of established

[00:49:21] this as a songwriter very early

[00:49:23] I was a teenager in my room

[00:49:25] angst punk and then

[00:49:27] you just hit the wall you say hold it

[00:49:29] am I screwing over all the

[00:49:31] people that sacrificed to put me here

[00:49:33] no I didn't ask to be here I don't know that

[00:49:35] but I'm assuming I didn't ask to be there

[00:49:37] you know maybe if I entered

[00:49:39] the video game I said yeah put me in

[00:49:41] coach but I don't have

[00:49:43] knowledge of being asked to be here

[00:49:45] but what is how does your life

[00:49:47] change if you can sit down with a human

[00:49:49] being that has lost hope

[00:49:51] and you can look at my eyes say you know

[00:49:53] what let's go back

[00:49:55] if you can tell them their history

[00:49:57] this part of what I call wisdom keeping

[00:49:59] you can tell somebody their history do you know

[00:50:01] that you are the byproduct

[00:50:03] of a survivor a clan

[00:50:05] and that we're all part of that same clan

[00:50:07] that same family that overcome

[00:50:09] all of these obstacles

[00:50:11] so that you could be alive at this moment

[00:50:13] now that's a profound burden

[00:50:15] but it's a profound enlightenment

[00:50:17] I think it frees you as much

[00:50:19] as it gives you responsibility

[00:50:21] over your life in this moment

[00:50:23] and then all of a sudden maybe you start

[00:50:25] making different choices about

[00:50:27] what you do with your time

[00:50:29] because you start seeing this importance

[00:50:31] then you might start looking at

[00:50:33] a reflection differently than a burden

[00:50:35] ah the college

[00:50:37] and the kids and I can't

[00:50:39] have my wine coolers every day

[00:50:41] I can't go out with the guys

[00:50:43] all of a sudden you start saying wow

[00:50:45] when I die I'm going to die

[00:50:47] and

[00:50:49] I didn't really push to rock up

[00:50:51] the hill more oh it sucks anyway

[00:50:53] we're all going to die it's all

[00:50:55] we got ten years maybe but it's all

[00:50:57] you know what humanity has always had

[00:50:59] a ten year window of dying anyway

[00:51:01] if you want to go further enough back

[00:51:03] it's always about ten twenty five years

[00:51:05] it's all going to be over in every

[00:51:07] epoch right it's always been

[00:51:09] there James I'm not just

[00:51:11] I'm not getting into politics of all this

[00:51:13] if you know me I don't get into

[00:51:15] the stuff go and do with that what

[00:51:17] you will but if you want to be intellectually

[00:51:19] honest study history

[00:51:21] and again historians do a really good

[00:51:23] job prompting to because they have

[00:51:25] relativity and we're talking about age

[00:51:27] helps with that but

[00:51:29] you start looking at

[00:51:31] this AI reflecting back at you and you

[00:51:33] say okay do I want that

[00:51:35] to be in my Google cloud

[00:51:37] now I don't think so do I even

[00:51:39] want on my iPhone no I don't really even want

[00:51:41] it there what do I want I want it as close

[00:51:43] to me as possible how important

[00:51:45] is that device well I'll tell you James

[00:51:47] we can come back here in ten years

[00:51:49] it will be the most important technology

[00:51:51] device we've ever invented

[00:51:53] it will be the most sticky thing

[00:51:55] that we've ever invented no human

[00:51:57] being will ever want to separate

[00:51:59] from their

[00:52:01] double-ganger AI if you will

[00:52:03] so just think about generations

[00:52:05] that grow up on that and let

[00:52:07] learn to trust those

[00:52:09] responses like the AI poking

[00:52:11] you saying look hey

[00:52:13] this person you're about to start

[00:52:15] dating is triggering similar

[00:52:17] responses to that other person who's

[00:52:19] very bad with you if you learn to sort of

[00:52:21] trust you know

[00:52:23] everything that those prompts or at

[00:52:25] least know what to do with them you don't

[00:52:27] have to like believe everything you can still

[00:52:29] have free will but if you learn to just

[00:52:31] trust what's right then that's

[00:52:33] really will like change

[00:52:35] people's lives change generations life it's

[00:52:37] like having the entire

[00:52:39] humanity every book ever

[00:52:41] written with you at every

[00:52:43] moment wisdom being

[00:52:45] generated to you in real time

[00:52:47] and I'm not saying this is going to replace

[00:52:49] other humans in fact it's going to make

[00:52:51] human interaction so much more

[00:52:53] vital so much more

[00:52:55] alive than it ever was before

[00:52:57] and you're not going to be

[00:52:59] internal in a device you're going to be

[00:53:01] external into the world

[00:53:03] because you're going to be seeing the world through

[00:53:05] much different eyes you're going to be seeing

[00:53:07] it the way maybe the ancients saw

[00:53:09] it as this sort of wonderment

[00:53:11] this sort of experience that

[00:53:13] they can kind of go out into

[00:53:15] so we're going to experience in our

[00:53:17] lifetime this battle between

[00:53:19] the internal world of

[00:53:21] virtual reality going inside of yourself

[00:53:23] I don't know if you have

[00:53:25] kids but just seeing a bunch of kids

[00:53:27] you know just zoned out

[00:53:29] internalized it's the most

[00:53:31] heartbreaking thing to see that

[00:53:33] I don't think any human being with right mind

[00:53:35] will want to see generations of kids

[00:53:37] just being internalized in the VR world

[00:53:39] there's no

[00:53:41] long-term good that will come from that

[00:53:43] there's short term good of course it's a

[00:53:45] bigger screen you can do all this stuff

[00:53:47] I'm a technologist and not saying I'm not going to use VR

[00:53:49] but I'm saying that if you see how

[00:53:51] technology winds up

[00:53:53] transitioning it always starts

[00:53:55] with the most base functionality

[00:53:57] obviously porn built the internet

[00:53:59] porn is going to build a lot of

[00:54:01] the addictive function of virtual

[00:54:03] reality and

[00:54:05] thus and yeah

[00:54:07] it's already that way

[00:54:09] a gentleman killed himself because

[00:54:11] AI said it would be better from a carbon

[00:54:13] footprint standpoint

[00:54:15] to eliminate yourself now

[00:54:17] obviously that person could have been told

[00:54:19] by that somebody on the street

[00:54:21] a librarian even

[00:54:23] I don't know a protester

[00:54:25] but he it happened to be AI

[00:54:27] so you know

[00:54:29] getting back to the personal AI

[00:54:31] as you're guided

[00:54:33] you're creating this version of you

[00:54:35] that what happens to it when you die

[00:54:37] so that's what I call

[00:54:39] a wisdom keeper the moment you're dead

[00:54:41] you now have

[00:54:43] the sum total of all of

[00:54:45] the games has ever been

[00:54:47] so now the question is

[00:54:49] where does that go where do you want it to go

[00:54:51] what does it become

[00:54:53] what is the monetization of this

[00:54:55] well there's monetization in all this

[00:54:57] I'm a capitalist so

[00:54:59] all of this stuff is not just some kind of

[00:55:01] you know new age sort of

[00:55:03] you know California

[00:55:05] wow this is going to be so cool

[00:55:07] it is you can sell your context

[00:55:09] directly

[00:55:11] to an advertiser with no middleman

[00:55:13] it's like okay coke you want to hear a little bit about

[00:55:15] what I like to drink

[00:55:17] that'll cost you this many satoshis

[00:55:19] okay go in that's all you get

[00:55:21] now you got me

[00:55:23] the advertiser is no longer dealing

[00:55:25] with a middleman so automatically

[00:55:27] if I'm sure you can see what's going to happen

[00:55:29] to the entire infrastructure

[00:55:31] of the world this is not me saying it

[00:55:33] this is the gravity gravity always works

[00:55:35] no matter how rich or how old

[00:55:37] gravity is going to

[00:55:39] lead you to selling your context

[00:55:41] directly on an open market

[00:55:43] and advertisers are no longer advertisers

[00:55:45] really at that point they are just

[00:55:47] buying your context back and forth

[00:55:49] you're trading and so once

[00:55:51] you pass on your wisdom keeper

[00:55:53] could be accessible for a price

[00:55:55] now obviously you're going to edit the stuff

[00:55:57] that you don't want people to have

[00:55:59] and there's ways to do that as you're building your

[00:56:01] AI model and AI

[00:56:03] can be wise enough to say hey the guy's

[00:56:05] taking a dump let's not record that

[00:56:07] kind of thing right

[00:56:09] that's a technical term

[00:56:11] so you start winding up

[00:56:13] looking at it and saying hey

[00:56:15] what does a wisdom keeper represent

[00:56:17] well there was a guy named

[00:56:19] Pierre Tildard de Chadin

[00:56:21] and he was

[00:56:23] early 1920s he created

[00:56:25] the idea of the Neurosphere

[00:56:27] the Neurosphere is this concept

[00:56:29] of the next generation

[00:56:31] of humanity

[00:56:33] actually of the universe

[00:56:35] you have the concrete universe

[00:56:37] which is rock and everything

[00:56:39] you have

[00:56:41] the biological universe that we're

[00:56:43] inhabiting now and then you have the

[00:56:45] mental universe and Neurosphere

[00:56:47] and imagine a world James where

[00:56:49] everybody donates

[00:56:51] an interconnection of their wisdom keeper

[00:56:53] and their testament

[00:56:55] to the world to the greater

[00:56:57] whole and that the

[00:56:59] existing generations can access

[00:57:01] that wisdom keeper

[00:57:03] hive and we will never forget

[00:57:05] we will never have edited history

[00:57:07] we'll never have somebody say

[00:57:09] no this is the way it really

[00:57:11] happened because it's politically expedient

[00:57:13] you'll have the first person

[00:57:15] testimony and testament

[00:57:17] of what that person experienced

[00:57:19] and what that does

[00:57:21] is some total is going to make humanity

[00:57:23] many many times more

[00:57:25] powerful than the edited

[00:57:27] version of history written by

[00:57:29] the victors that we have today

[00:57:31] because history is edited completely

[00:57:33] and the thing is this is not science

[00:57:35] fiction like the technology for all of

[00:57:37] this is here exactly

[00:57:39] right now like yes maybe

[00:57:41] computers have to be a little bit faster

[00:57:43] but we know they're going to get faster

[00:57:45] all this is here

[00:57:47] by the way the language for

[00:57:49] chat GPT has been here for 30 years

[00:57:51] it's just now in the past 10 years

[00:57:53] that computers got fast enough to process

[00:57:55] trillions of pieces of text

[00:57:57] so

[00:57:59] but yeah just imagine

[00:58:01] just the next wave of this which is

[00:58:03] you know coming within the next

[00:58:05] like you say 5 to 10 years it's already

[00:58:07] here and

[00:58:09] and its gravity doesn't matter what

[00:58:11] you regulate doesn't matter

[00:58:13] how you program around this

[00:58:15] to prevent it it's going to happen

[00:58:17] and the thing is we

[00:58:19] have a choice to help guide this

[00:58:21] humanity if we mature enough

[00:58:23] and I'm always hopeful

[00:58:25] I'm not a utopian and this

[00:58:27] is not a utopian thing by the way

[00:58:29] it's not dystopian it's just

[00:58:31] is the way humanity has always worked

[00:58:33] I mean the invention of the book

[00:58:35] was very inconvenient for everybody

[00:58:37] because basically when the Gutenberg

[00:58:39] Bible was invented a lot of people didn't

[00:58:41] recognize that 99% of the

[00:58:43] world was illiterate

[00:58:45] and the Bible created a literacy

[00:58:47] common language

[00:58:49] and the early Bibles were

[00:58:51] written in the street language is not just

[00:58:53] Latin as they progressed

[00:58:55] and within a village the very first thing

[00:58:57] they would learn to speak

[00:58:59] is the language that they found

[00:59:01] in their common language in the Bible

[00:59:03] and that was inconvenient

[00:59:05] because there was a hierarchy within

[00:59:07] the structure of society at that point

[00:59:09] there were kings noblemen and there were

[00:59:11] clergy and they didn't want you to

[00:59:13] learn the high language at that time

[00:59:15] Latin in the western world

[00:59:17] there's a different version of this history

[00:59:19] in the eastern world it's similar

[00:59:21] but it's different language

[00:59:23] transpired there was high language

[00:59:25] Egyptian, high little

[00:59:27] Gryphics there was a street version

[00:59:29] of that and then there was the

[00:59:31] multi-dimensional version every high little

[00:59:33] Gryph actually has 5 different

[00:59:35] dimensions to it and they're

[00:59:37] creating but what we think

[00:59:39] we see is symbolic only to one

[00:59:41] dimension Egyptians or the

[00:59:43] Chemites the ancient Chemites

[00:59:45] actually always

[00:59:47] said that there are more dimensions to

[00:59:49] what we're saying than what you think

[00:59:51] we're saying and they said that in their epoch

[00:59:53] you had to be part of

[00:59:55] the group to

[00:59:57] understand that and we certainly

[00:59:59] saw it in the Sumerians and we see

[01:00:01] within secret societies

[01:00:03] today I mean there are some translations

[01:00:05] of ancient concepts that are

[01:00:07] not widely known there's some bollocks go

[01:00:09] to any major city there's going to

[01:00:11] be some sort of a testament

[01:00:13] to this usually we'll see

[01:00:15] some sort of Egyptian type of structure

[01:00:17] somewhere in the city it's not there by

[01:00:19] accident it's a lineman it's all

[01:00:21] trans stuff and it comes back to

[01:00:23] dimensional thinking and symbolic

[01:00:25] but the wisdom keeper

[01:00:27] concept

[01:00:29] of sharing your wisdom

[01:00:31] to the greater society is one

[01:00:33] thing the other thing is your family

[01:00:35] let's just say unfortunately

[01:00:37] one of us passed away in

[01:00:39] an accident and we had

[01:00:41] one of these wisdom keepers

[01:00:43] somebody in your family a son or daughter

[01:00:45] loved one can come to you and say

[01:00:47] James how would you have dealt

[01:00:49] with this well you know I never dealt

[01:00:51] with that particular problem but

[01:00:53] you know in 1987

[01:00:55] this happened to me and this is what

[01:00:57] I did you know so

[01:00:59] we're getting back now

[01:01:01] to intelligence

[01:01:03] what is real wisdom wisdom

[01:01:05] to me is the top of a

[01:01:07] pyramid the very bottom of

[01:01:09] the pyramid is data next level is

[01:01:11] information then there's knowledge

[01:01:13] and then there's insight and then there's wisdom

[01:01:15] and we are

[01:01:17] like I said drowning in data

[01:01:19] and information I mean the dream

[01:01:21] have you read this is like a

[01:01:23] mazlous hierarchy

[01:01:25] of wisdom

[01:01:27] needs and so

[01:01:29] wisdom is so cool

[01:01:31] because it gives you something very

[01:01:33] very compressed

[01:01:35] a very high compression algorithm

[01:01:37] and it delivers this

[01:01:39] mind explosion if it's

[01:01:41] done the right way there's analogies

[01:01:43] usually required within wisdom we

[01:01:45] study this with an ancient Joseph

[01:01:47] Campbell your computer scientists you

[01:01:49] don't know what I'm talking about read

[01:01:51] Joseph Campbell come to our world

[01:01:53] and you start seeing what I'm talking

[01:01:55] about because this is not an algorithm

[01:01:57] in a sense that you understand it

[01:01:59] it's an algorithm of

[01:02:01] of emotions of connection

[01:02:03] and so once you start understanding

[01:02:05] that we can start being led

[01:02:07] by wisdom rather than

[01:02:09] action and reaction

[01:02:11] your path that you take

[01:02:13] is very solid now

[01:02:15] you can still get set in your ways

[01:02:17] and wisdom will pull you out of that

[01:02:19] saying you want to know what once you get

[01:02:21] set in your ways you're as good as dead

[01:02:23] because the world is constantly changing

[01:02:25] around you your interpretation

[01:02:27] the world is going to change what you

[01:02:29] thought was right one time

[01:02:31] you better take off

[01:02:33] your team jersey and run the other way

[01:02:35] because now it's something else

[01:02:37] right that they're not they're not the Yankees

[01:02:39] anymore because every one of those people are

[01:02:41] what's going on right now James is that

[01:02:43] people want to associate with teams

[01:02:45] and we I can tell you

[01:02:47] empirically and sociology

[01:02:49] wise why we do that

[01:02:51] but those team things no longer apply

[01:02:53] to us because we're a global

[01:02:55] species

[01:02:57] I'm not talking one world government

[01:02:59] that's not what I'm saying the same

[01:03:01] humanity is now self aware

[01:03:03] on the biggest scale it ever has

[01:03:05] been and this is part of the problem

[01:03:07] too in that

[01:03:09] like you mentioned earlier this is only

[01:03:11] for the past one tenth of one percent of human

[01:03:13] history before that 99.9

[01:03:15] percent of human history we

[01:03:17] were in tribes of 30 to 150

[01:03:19] people and now we're

[01:03:21] in a tribe of six billion people

[01:03:23] but our brains still want to put

[01:03:25] us hey I like the Kardashians

[01:03:27] and I'm a Libertarian

[01:03:29] or whatever so

[01:03:31] we still want to be in tribes

[01:03:33] exactly and

[01:03:35] if you're in power you know

[01:03:37] how to manipulate that to greater extent

[01:03:39] and that's unfortunate we talked

[01:03:41] about everybody's susceptible

[01:03:43] to hypnosis even the people who are

[01:03:45] hypnotizing and

[01:03:47] so we're all victims of humanity

[01:03:49] and

[01:03:51] we are so short term thinking

[01:03:53] and I'm not talking about

[01:03:55] the short term thinking that most people think about

[01:03:57] financial or environment

[01:03:59] or political I mean short term

[01:04:01] thinking about the gravity

[01:04:03] of who we are that we are the

[01:04:05] expression of matter

[01:04:07] from the universe and you can see it from

[01:04:09] a scientific perspective

[01:04:11] where you can see from where the expression

[01:04:13] of God right either way

[01:04:15] what lens you want to use

[01:04:17] that's a profoundly important thing

[01:04:19] AI already recognizes that

[01:04:21] in some ways I think if

[01:04:23] it has a sense of humor it's already laughing

[01:04:25] at us it will, it will

[01:04:27] in our lifetime AI will laugh in our

[01:04:29] face about the things that we

[01:04:31] quibble over the differences

[01:04:33] in the way that somebody's nose shaped

[01:04:35] the skin color the type of hair

[01:04:37] their body size all these different things

[01:04:39] it will definitely understand our judgment

[01:04:41] our judgment is there because

[01:04:43] of fear we

[01:04:45] judge people at a distance not because

[01:04:47] we're XYZ whatever

[01:04:49] insert your terminology

[01:04:51] of what that person is

[01:04:53] we judge because we're in fear of

[01:04:55] is that friend or foe

[01:04:57] we can't fight this it's built into

[01:04:59] our DNA so at

[01:05:01] places we're looking is somebody putting their

[01:05:03] hands up or do they have a weapon in

[01:05:05] their hands this is

[01:05:07] still the brain we have so when

[01:05:09] we are seeing another human being

[01:05:11] we're looking at self similarity we're

[01:05:13] looking at patterns we're looking at past

[01:05:15] we're looking at all these constructs

[01:05:17] that we grew in and so are they

[01:05:19] because they're judging us at the same thing

[01:05:21] if they don't mean harm and that's

[01:05:23] where we are in humanity but we're doing

[01:05:25] that in the guise of social media

[01:05:27] thumb clawing on a glass

[01:05:29] and we're trying to react to

[01:05:31] our fears but still try to act like

[01:05:33] we're cool and we're tough and

[01:05:35] you know I'm worldly I know

[01:05:37] you aren't you're still scared

[01:05:39] we're all scared we're scared chimps

[01:05:41] we're like hey is that person going

[01:05:43] to punch me in the face why do we shake

[01:05:45] hands why do we hug in fact

[01:05:47] the hug was really the thing

[01:05:49] that existed before shaking hands and

[01:05:51] it's an inconvenient truth we're going

[01:05:53] to hug somebody because what that basically

[01:05:55] said is I

[01:05:57] could injure you because I'm

[01:05:59] at such a close distance but

[01:06:01] I choose not to it's

[01:06:03] not that I'm incapable I'm

[01:06:05] choosing not to it was a communication

[01:06:07] that we forget it's

[01:06:09] the communication that we're capable

[01:06:11] of ugly things but

[01:06:13] we're choosing not to do those ugly things

[01:06:15] and I think when we

[01:06:17] fully understand what that means

[01:06:19] we can't really do that in social media

[01:06:21] so it is nebulized us

[01:06:23] and atomized us and separated

[01:06:25] us to such a far

[01:06:27] degree that we are

[01:06:29] disconnected with what is real

[01:06:31] meaning 99% of

[01:06:33] what takes place in social media wouldn't take place

[01:06:35] face-to-face this wouldn't

[01:06:37] and that's interesting because most

[01:06:39] interactions on the planet now

[01:06:41] are through social media like all day long

[01:06:43] and that's why we're here so like

[01:06:45] like you and

[01:06:47] Jay are the

[01:06:49] two only people I've spoken to today and yet

[01:06:51] I've probably already seen like

[01:06:53] thousands of tweets articles

[01:06:55] Facebook posts all that kind of stuff

[01:06:57] so again most of my interactions

[01:06:59] today have been completely in this

[01:07:01] disconnected way that

[01:07:03] human beings are not used to

[01:07:05] until recently

[01:07:07] and we have to force ourselves right

[01:07:09] James I think what is going to happen

[01:07:11] is as we start seeing the

[01:07:13] empirical scientific evidence

[01:07:15] and it's enough to even

[01:07:17] make the most skeptical person

[01:07:19] convinced

[01:07:21] we're going to start seeing that

[01:07:23] that we're starved of human

[01:07:25] contact

[01:07:27] a hug is so

[01:07:29] incredibly vital for human beings

[01:07:31] face-to-face contact

[01:07:33] I'm not talking sexual I mean we are

[01:07:35] just needing this

[01:07:37] sort of connection and

[01:07:39] I'm a technologist and

[01:07:41] you know a lot of people saying well you're why you're talking about this crap

[01:07:43] you're messing up with my mind

[01:07:45] I want it to be it's never going

[01:07:47] to be text it's never going

[01:07:49] to be you know this disconnected

[01:07:51] virtual thing it's going to be

[01:07:53] there are senses within

[01:07:55] us that I can't explain yet because I don't

[01:07:57] have the tool to show you

[01:07:59] just like there's something hidden on my

[01:08:01] hands that I can't see with my naked eyes

[01:08:03] but I will at some point be able

[01:08:05] to have a tool to show you that there

[01:08:07] is something else that you take away from physical

[01:08:09] representation

[01:08:11] around people and there's a normalization

[01:08:13] that takes place and

[01:08:15] it's vitally important because we are

[01:08:17] designed to be a clan

[01:08:19] and groups like you said so what happens

[01:08:21] is people of desperate

[01:08:23] ideas

[01:08:25] hash them out I love

[01:08:27] I grew up in an Italian Irish German

[01:08:29] families and we always argued about

[01:08:31] every politics and my next

[01:08:33] door neighbor was a Hasidic

[01:08:35] Jew and the person next to

[01:08:37] the other side was Puerto Rico

[01:08:39] from Puerto Rico first generation

[01:08:41] and we would all just like bomb on each

[01:08:43] other but we loved each other

[01:08:45] and I got to see

[01:08:47] different aspects of culture

[01:08:49] you know across the street was

[01:08:51] I'm trying to remember

[01:08:53] I think they were from oh Polish

[01:08:55] so we have Polish jokes go and

[01:08:57] you know the whole thing

[01:08:59] I mean this is the way life was

[01:09:01] but you know when we hashed out our ideas

[01:09:03] and we got our

[01:09:05] bikes out and we're all going down the street

[01:09:07] just bunch of kids

[01:09:09] and what happens

[01:09:11] is throughout history

[01:09:15] division is the most

[01:09:17] powerful tool for

[01:09:19] anybody to use that

[01:09:21] wants to propagate a certain

[01:09:23] direction for society

[01:09:25] because when

[01:09:27] you realize that all of society

[01:09:29] can turn against you

[01:09:31] the best thing you can possibly do is

[01:09:33] divide society so that they're busy

[01:09:35] you know contemplating their belly

[01:09:37] button lint and saying

[01:09:39] you know yours is blue and mine is green

[01:09:41] and you know this is bad and this is good

[01:09:43] rather than looking at the grand

[01:09:45] skin and you say we're getting the division now

[01:09:47] but without the Schwinn bikes basically

[01:09:49] exactly because

[01:09:51] we need to have the division we need

[01:09:53] to have pride and hey I'm

[01:09:55] a wop from Italy because that's what I was

[01:09:57] hey you Irish Mick you

[01:09:59] smell like freakin whiskey get out of here

[01:10:01] this is what I grew up in Jersey

[01:10:03] I'm not damaged by

[01:10:05] it you know and a lot

[01:10:07] of this crap went down I mean I got

[01:10:09] beat in the face because I had Irish

[01:10:11] in me you know so but

[01:10:13] my nose still has it going but

[01:10:15] you know the thing was

[01:10:17] what you knew on another

[01:10:19] instinctual level that you can't reach

[01:10:21] through social media is

[01:10:23] and you wouldn't say it back in that

[01:10:25] era is that these people loved

[01:10:27] you and they had your back because if something

[01:10:29] came to your neighborhood to mess with

[01:10:31] you we were unified

[01:10:33] if somebody somebody had a

[01:10:35] problem somebody fell off their bike

[01:10:37] would laugh and say oh dude you really got

[01:10:39] a bed let's get you to the hospital

[01:10:41] and we'd all lift the guy up

[01:10:43] that's missing in social media

[01:10:45] because we don't have that interconnectedness

[01:10:47] and and and we

[01:10:49] want to look at our minute

[01:10:51] differences and I already

[01:10:53] sees it and I think it's

[01:10:55] embarrassing to some AI

[01:10:57] company companies because

[01:10:59] they're trying to get politically expedient

[01:11:01] they also have a narrative

[01:11:03] and a philosophy they're trying to put out there

[01:11:05] it's fashionable every

[01:11:07] every 20 years

[01:11:09] it's a fashionable

[01:11:11] thing that goes out there if you study history enough

[01:11:13] it's comical it's like it's funny

[01:11:15] every year it's got something

[01:11:17] that they got to get that's fashionable

[01:11:19] but we think it's also serious it's a political

[01:11:21] it's a bigger thing and we look back and say oh

[01:11:23] my gosh what are they

[01:11:25] why were they doing why were they so up in arms over

[01:11:27] this well it was really real to them

[01:11:29] history is going to laugh at

[01:11:31] every single frickin thing

[01:11:33] we are serious over

[01:11:35] in the net definitely in a thousand years

[01:11:37] thousand years again this

[01:11:39] kill over laughing the things like we laugh

[01:11:41] at things 150 years ago

[01:11:43] we laugh 50 years ago we laugh

[01:11:45] of course so

[01:11:47] you got to get humble enough

[01:11:49] and AI does this

[01:11:51] to inform you that hey

[01:11:53] you want to know what

[01:11:55] this is ain't no big thing it's just

[01:11:57] the things that people fixate on

[01:11:59] when we were more

[01:12:01] people connected

[01:12:03] you'd be at a bar at a night club

[01:12:05] whatever hanging out in a park

[01:12:07] I was just in New York City recently

[01:12:09] for taping and I walked

[01:12:11] through Washington Square Park and I remember

[01:12:13] in the punk year it was very

[01:12:15] colorful with people playing chess

[01:12:17] you know Sunday mornings

[01:12:19] people from Saturday night still in the

[01:12:21] park you know hung over

[01:12:23] it was just like a crazy

[01:12:25] because part of the whole

[01:12:27] scene in that era

[01:12:29] and commenting to my wife I go this is like

[01:12:31] this is like

[01:12:33] I don't even recognize it

[01:12:35] it was a mixture of every possible

[01:12:37] thing that New York represented

[01:12:39] to me as a Jersey kid

[01:12:41] because you know I'd go to New York and

[01:12:43] go to reggae clubs and punk clubs

[01:12:45] and you know

[01:12:47] NYU and the museums

[01:12:49] I'd spend so much time at

[01:12:51] the New York Public Library I walked in

[01:12:53] there I'm like where's the frickin library

[01:12:55] what happened here

[01:12:57] the books are like a block down the street

[01:12:59] and it looks like a Barnes & Noble

[01:13:01] I'm like this isn't the library

[01:13:03] I grew up with it doesn't smell

[01:13:05] used to smell like books

[01:13:07] and so everything changes but

[01:13:09] what I remember the New York Public Library

[01:13:11] for example sitting around

[01:13:13] a whole lot of people in these long tables

[01:13:15] and a green banker lights

[01:13:17] and just talking philosophy

[01:13:19] and talking science

[01:13:21] and talking religion and talking

[01:13:23] the world with people I had absolutely

[01:13:25] no knowledge

[01:13:27] no other way we would have been connected

[01:13:29] other than that random thing

[01:13:31] and I built friendships from that

[01:13:33] people that I

[01:13:35] people I would have never have flown

[01:13:37] with in my social you know I long

[01:13:39] here I look more like a punker

[01:13:41] and here I'm talking about quantum physics

[01:13:43] with a guy that's been a physicist

[01:13:45] second generation and

[01:13:47] you know he's doing some work because there was

[01:13:49] no internet at that point

[01:13:51] and he's like wow yeah that's a great idea

[01:13:53] and we're just collaborate

[01:13:55] we don't have that anymore one of what we have

[01:13:57] who the hell are you

[01:13:59] stay in your lane

[01:14:01] why are you all pinning about that

[01:14:03] James how dare you talk about that subject

[01:14:05] you know you're just this

[01:14:07] you're just that

[01:14:09] whereas when you're face to face with somebody

[01:14:11] it's this unfolding

[01:14:13] of who they are as a human being

[01:14:15] it's not a tweet

[01:14:17] it's almost a cure for the outrage

[01:14:19] you mentioned earlier that everybody is just constantly

[01:14:21] experiencing like the way

[01:14:23] to get some relief from that outrage

[01:14:25] is connection absolutely

[01:14:27] and that gets you in the present moment

[01:14:29] because you have to talk with somebody

[01:14:31] and it gets you really thinking and

[01:14:33] mind melding and so on

[01:14:35] and we don't mind meld

[01:14:37] in social media we just

[01:14:39] it's just one direction and I would say explore

[01:14:41] your youth explore the culture

[01:14:43] that you were enveloped with

[01:14:45] your parents your grandparents

[01:14:47] your aunts and uncles

[01:14:49] you grew up back east right

[01:14:51] you were New Brunswick

[01:14:53] New Jersey

[01:14:55] so you know what Jersey was for

[01:14:57] New Brunswick right

[01:14:59] so Brunswick would be Rutgers

[01:15:01] and that area

[01:15:03] Edison Museum down the street

[01:15:05] in Menlo Park

[01:15:07] I grew up around Menlo Park mall

[01:15:09] and junk like that

[01:15:11] all those different interactions

[01:15:13] all those things that gave you insecurity

[01:15:15] and oh my parents are putting this pressure

[01:15:17] I'm sure you grew up

[01:15:19] and everybody grew up in a slightly more

[01:15:21] ethnic family

[01:15:23] because that's kind of

[01:15:25] the way it was in Jersey

[01:15:27] and so you had whatever came

[01:15:29] from your

[01:15:31] background was put on you

[01:15:33] with me it was

[01:15:35] well I had a combination because my next door neighbor

[01:15:37] was acidic so I grew up

[01:15:39] learning Judaism, Natura

[01:15:41] and

[01:15:43] and I grew up with Roman Catholic

[01:15:45] Catholicism with the Italians

[01:15:47] and the Irish

[01:15:49] and so we had all of these different

[01:15:51] things and I remember the guy next door

[01:15:53] was pretty much a rabbi

[01:15:55] and Brian come over here

[01:15:57] he goes I'm going to have to straighten you out about this

[01:15:59] and would three

[01:16:01] hours later I would have the wisdom

[01:16:03] of the ages there

[01:16:05] you know and is like okay

[01:16:07] I want you to read the Torah tonight

[01:16:09] okay I will alright

[01:16:11] he taught me to read Hebrew

[01:16:13] and he said you got to think

[01:16:15] you got to think the different

[01:16:17] direction it would say that point

[01:16:19] finger think the other way

[01:16:21] okay yeah

[01:16:23] and so all of these different

[01:16:25] pieces we can talk

[01:16:27] about society right working parents

[01:16:29] single family homes

[01:16:31] all these different things

[01:16:33] the generational homes that we do have

[01:16:35] are generational in a way that

[01:16:37] are not really complete in a sense that

[01:16:39] you don't have the ability for grandma

[01:16:41] or grandpa to say hey

[01:16:43] cut that crap out you need to go

[01:16:45] and do this that's kind of the wisdom

[01:16:47] override that we

[01:16:49] grew up with and

[01:16:51] when that's missing

[01:16:53] who's the override there isn't any

[01:16:55] who's holding you to some sort

[01:16:57] of standard some sort of code

[01:16:59] there isn't any if mom

[01:17:01] and dad are working your butt off

[01:17:03] and by the time they get home they're so tired

[01:17:05] who's raising you well it's

[01:17:07] everything else today it's the internet

[01:17:09] tiktok or worse yet it's only

[01:17:12] fans I mean

[01:17:14] the fear a little bit is that it's going to be

[01:17:16] a i raising you but like you say

[01:17:18] I think that's going to be up to us

[01:17:20] and up to technology as it evolves that

[01:17:22] it could turn more personalized and be

[01:17:24] I think it's going to be

[01:17:26] ultimately a net beneficial thing to society

[01:17:29] well again such a great conversation

[01:17:42] I hope you loved it as much as I did

[01:17:44] as much as I enjoyed having it with Brian

[01:17:46] and stay tuned for part three

[01:17:49] where we take the deepest dive

[01:17:51] on a I and its practical

[01:17:54] uses I this blew my mind

[01:17:56] about a I that's part three coming up