Civil War 2024?!? | A Conversation with Tucker Max

[00:00:00] Civil war.

[00:00:09] Honestly, I had an Uber driver the other day and he asked me in the middle of the drive,

[00:00:16] hey, do you have your go bag?

[00:00:19] And I'm like, what's that?

[00:00:20] And he said, well, when the civil war starts, and then he added, and it's going to start

[00:00:25] any day. conflicts and you're about to hear more about that so let's get right into it a few years ago a guy who's a regular guest on the podcast has been since twenty fourteen i can't believe this is the tenth year i'm doing this, but i love doing it but one of my first guess anyway he came on in twenty twenty said. James you're hearing it from me now there's going to be a civil war and.

[00:02:49] How are you doing Tucker? What's the latest and greatest?

[00:02:51] I see I follow you on Facebook.

[00:02:52] You're like killing chickens, eating off the land, homeschooling, the whole thing.

[00:02:57] Pretty much, yeah, exactly.

[00:02:59] Yeah.

[00:03:00] So, and you're in Texas, I think it was three years ago that you came on the podcast and

[00:03:05] said we're going to have a civil war.

[00:03:07] And you said it would start with Texas. There's more than two actually, but the two dominant ones are that and then some variation of traditional Americanism. I wouldn't call it conservatism. It looks like conservatism in a lot of ways, but that's not really what it is. But like, that's basically, those are the two major opposing camps and nothing can live

[00:04:20] with communism.

[00:04:22] Communism at its core doesn't compromise. But I feel like it's even more because it takes on all these cultural issues and maybe communism does that as well. Yeah, of course. That's what it does. That's what it's designed to do. I guess that's true because in order to do any kind of central planning, you have truly have Trump derangement syndrome? Like I'm not a Trump person, right? I'm not a MAGA person, but I know a lot of people who are smart and capable and you can't talk about Trump with them

[00:07:02] without them losing their minds.

[00:07:04] And like they-

[00:07:05] To the point where they're kind of, they're very related, but the There's been one tribe with a bunch of different variations on that tribe. There are now two different ones in America and they are irreconcilable. At least what made them irreconcilable? Because that's true. People are willing now to more likely have violence than agree. Because the Marxist communist, mimetic virus invaded the left and turned them into zombies.

[00:09:44] And so there's no, what's going on? The border is open. Does Biden want it open?

[00:11:00] Of course.

[00:11:01] But why does he want it open?

[00:11:03] It's clear that as people have said, there's like...

[00:11:06] First off, let's back up for a second. someone or some group of people are, right? And there's only one thing to deduce from why would you want an open border, right? Because we know all the negative side effects. Like what, why would I think Michigan was, I mean, Wisconsin was the big one where it was like, you know, at 11 PM, Trump was ahead by whatever quarter million votes and then the counting stopped.

[00:13:42] And then at 3 AM Biden was ahead by 300,000 votes. Right? Like that doesn't make, no. I mean, like, why would you cheat? It's sort of like, there's no reason to cheat if both, if both, if it doesn't matter who wins, like the great example is, you know, Romney versus Obama. Like it did. Which by the way, best election ever because no one gave a shit.

[00:15:00] Well, but also it didn't matter who won,

[00:15:03] the exact same policies were gonna be rolled out.

[00:15:05] So why would you cheat?

[00:15:06] There's nothing to happen. You have this constitutional battle about who has control on the border. This civil war is not really, there's going to be shooting and violence, but it's not that kind of war. It's a mimetic legal war, right? That's what's going to, that this civil war is not going to be a war of the north versus south or east versus west or coast versus the interior.

[00:16:24] That's not how this works.

[00:16:26] That's not how this is going to work.

[00:17:24] I mean, we as the foreign policy arm of the American government has been the bad guy for a long time.

[00:17:28] Yeah, and you see this in how the rest of the world is,

[00:17:32] I mean, we use the dollar as a weapon in many cases,

[00:17:35] and the rest of the world now is finally standing up

[00:17:38] and saying, hey, is there an alternative?

[00:17:40] We use everything at our disposal as a weapon.

[00:17:42] Everything at our disposal.

[00:17:44] So how does this play out?

[00:17:46] Like you said the word civil war government, sort of like what exists in Mexico. In Mexico, there's a federal government, and they have an army, and they're a member of the UN, but the federal government has very, very limited power in Mexico. Mexico is a narco state run by a coalition of cartels that fight each other and work

[00:19:02] together and do all that. Because there's not, it depends what we're talking about, right? And it depends what state we're talking about. And okay, so I was really hoping Trump was going to win in 2020 because I thought that would have been the most peaceful resolution. Because what would have happened is that a bunch of the leftist states would have joined together in some loose coalition and would have started separation stuff then.

[00:21:22] No, you're totally wrong. Segregationists absolutely tolerate difference.

[00:21:25] They just want them elsewhere.

[00:21:27] I'm not like arguing in favor of segregation, but a segregationist by definition is someone

[00:21:34] who will tolerate difference because the other, the alternative is murder.

[00:21:42] That's what to do. The fascists are basically more like a thuggish mafia who will deal with difference as long as everyone pays. The communists want to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them.

[00:23:02] I mean, look at history. This is not some revolutionary insight. No one, I don't want to say no one, very few people will endure the the the ignomie of academia just because they love teaching. The majority of people who will endure what it takes to become a professional academic, especially the political side of it, are people who quite honestly are screwed up people who

[00:24:22] want to tell everyone else what to do. I mean, this is so simple. Just look at it. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do. And so now we're seeing these two constitutional battles. One is to take the Republican nominee

[00:25:40] or Trump specifically off the ballot in certain states.

[00:25:44] The other is this issue in the border

[00:25:46] where the Supreme Court asked the deciding- I don't think he wants the border closed or. I think he wants whatever is gonna make him look good. And he doesn't care about actually effectuating any policy. Like, I mean, I can give you the details, but essentially the state of Texas shut off like a mile long section of the border, right? It's like nothing. And like the whole, it's very complicated, all of it,

[00:27:05] but there's a great decision. It was one of the sparkling moments of the Supreme Court. And so all these lawsuits were barred against all these restrictive state rules, and almost all of them have fallen. And then Hawaii has crazy restrictive gun rules.

[00:28:21] They're obviously violative of the Second Amendment.

[00:28:24] And a couple of those cases

[00:28:26] got to the state over their gun laws. So. They're making a bet that the feds are run by people who agree with them and nothing's gonna happen.

[00:29:42] And they're probably right, right now.

[00:29:45] Right?

[00:29:46] And so, okay, the Democrats are going to ballot harvest, we're going to do the same thing. And so and I don't think anyone has any handle on how that's going to go. Because the American electoral system is not built on security. It's built on trust. And

[00:31:03] that trust is broken now. And what that's showing is that the electoral system is extremely who don't think rationally think rationally. That's what you're saying. But again, they have a propaganda side to it as well. Like when they go on TV and they're asked, how can you justify? And then they say what I just said, man, go watch the videos. They don't make arguments, man. What they make appeals to tribalism.

[00:32:20] And that works on most people

[00:32:21] because most people don't think for themselves. like friends of ours, famous friends of ours, who were smart, who have done great shit, became absolute fucking shills for transparent evil. And I was like, what? How? And continued into 21 and sometimes 22, doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. Oh, even now. But this is what

[00:33:44] I want to understand though is like, you look at, I think Texas is know. Because bro, do you know when the Civil War, what we think of as the Civil War starting was when the Union ships, or when the Confederate, I think the Confederates actually fired first on the Union ships in Fort Sumter, South Carolina. Like there were people picnicking there. The Union soldiers didn't think it was a thing.

[00:35:02] Like it wasn't the actual people there on the ground

[00:35:06] didn't see it as like a highly, And I know people who know these things, that there is no conflict between the actual rank and file border patrol, federal border patrol, and the state DPS, the Department of Public Safety. The boots on the ground feds and state guys don't have much of a conflict. It's the bureaucracies that have conflicts.

[00:37:25] initiate a conflict and the guys on the ground refused.

[00:37:30] I believe that, that makes sense. I can't tell you if it was true, but it was what I heard.

[00:37:32] But this is your earlier point where it's not necessarily,

[00:37:35] this is not gonna be a war fought with guns,

[00:37:36] it's gonna be more like what Biden then did,

[00:37:38] which was shut down the LNG business from exporting

[00:37:41] and all that business comes out of Texas.

[00:37:43] So it causes economic harm to Texas and that's-

[00:37:47] I mean, sort of.

[00:37:48] He had the federal legal precedent for that. There is no law governing that. There is no one knows what the fuck happens then.

[00:39:04] No one.

[00:39:04] And that is why, What happens then? China invades Taiwan. Let's just say, right? Right. What then? Right? And then like there's a whole, we don't get any semiconductor chips for 18 months. What then? Right? There's a whole cascade of effects that can happen.

[00:40:23] This is the definition of black swan, dude.

[00:40:25] Like this is the black swan Michelle Obama is president of 32 states.

[00:41:44] But the others haven't succeeded.

[00:41:46] They haven't rebelled. community, like a local, like where I live, right? Things might, if you're in cities, when this stuff goes down, your best case scenario is that it's just violent, right? Cause it like, imagine if it's violent and supply chain breaks or shortens. Yeah.

[00:43:00] And so on a scale of zero to 10, where zero is,

[00:43:03] everybody's safe, this is just something

[00:43:05] that's happening in the news, to 10, We're back stronger than ever. When I'm trying to figure out, I never respond because I don't want to give that any energy. But you just look at all the data on crime, housing, the failure of commercial real estate. I mean, in New York City, I'm worried for my kids there because there's a lot of this weird violence that never was there before.

[00:44:20] Well, maybe in the 70s.

[00:44:21] Like that's what's funny is if you actually look at the data,

[00:44:24] it's on some, it's passed, So the older I get, the more I just want status quo. Whether things are good or bad, I just want things to be the same. You either grow, my brother, you know that doesn't work. You either grow, you die, man. There's no staying the same. So what, I mean, look, you've changed your life around completely. You moved out of the cities. You grow your own, what do you grow for food?

[00:45:43] Everything.

[00:45:44] Like we, I literally, like, I'm not, okay. If things get nine or 10, then yeah, like then I've got to worry about Clay Martin disaster scenarios, like when cities start emptying out, right? But I think there's ways to deal with that.

[00:47:01] First of all, I don't think that's highly likely

[00:47:02] in the near future.

[00:47:04] I think to get to a situation like that, And a lot of people understand local supply chains now. And a lot of people have relationships with farmers now. They didn't before. And it doesn't take a huge number of people living like me to actually fundamentally change the pressures on the system. Like I haven't bought meat at a grocery store in over two years.

[00:48:21] Right?

[00:48:22] And now if 5% of the people are like me,

[00:48:25] that fundamentally changes the entire economics of the supply chain the government not only won't help me, but they're evil. Like, I've got to actually do my own, I got to take real responsibility for my own life. Where pre-COVID the number was maybe 1%, I bet you it's three to six now, and climbing. And we get that number to 10% in the next three or four years, which I'm very confident it's going to have to happen.

[00:49:42] Everything changes then.

[00:49:44] Everything changes for the better.

[00:49:46] You know, the people who are going to suffer and blandness is over. And so you think the likelihood that this election doesn't cause problems is probably close to zero. It is zero. We've already seen it. Multiple states are indicting a former president and legitimate presidents nominate nominee from a major party, from the party, on complete nonsense.

[00:51:03] Like literally would not nominate any human on earth on case for him to win. But it's your point that these people are. Because that's how tribalism works. Because someone, you cannot talk, there's no fact or rationality or stream of logic that works on someone who is infected with a mind virus. It just doesn't work. It's like imagine, you can't talk to cult members and explain to them that they're

[00:52:23] in a cult.

[00:52:25] Right. And to your point also that it was interesting that you're saying that the potential physical conflict between federal and state, that's being avoided so far.

[00:53:44] And we're seeing that in Texas. in Italy and they'll kill all the fucking Romans and knowing that they're not Roman, they're loyal to the emperor, right? And so it's not just getting votes, man. Like there's already, I feel like Chicago or someplace in Illinois have made it legal to make illegal immigrants into cops.

[00:55:01] Like think about how fucking insane that is.

[00:55:04] That, if the federal government is able to arm eight years, but particularly starting in 2020, has been definitely in the direction of what you're talking about. And again, this is not like a pro-Trump, anti-Biden thing. It's just what's happening. I've seen the impression. To be honest, I can't stand him. I think he is, I mean, who has been more pro-vaccine than Trump?

[00:56:20] Yeah, right, he made it.

[00:56:21] He still brags about the vaccine.

[00:56:24] Like, Ed Best, But you can't take away the power once they have it, it seems. Well, you can. But what's the saying? You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out. I haven't heard that, but that's a good one. I didn't make it up. It was Souls of Nateson or someone like that.

[00:57:40] Tell me about your latest venture though, which is...

[00:57:44] It's got nothing to do with this.

[00:57:46] I don't know if sit down and write this book. Like there's no, I wrote my first books from a position of true desperation of having burnt the bridges behind me. And that energy, though not healthy, is very useful and channeled properly. And I just can't, I don't want to get that energy again.

[00:59:01] I don't wanna burn my fucking family down

[00:59:03] or have to leave a ranch or nonsense like that.

[00:59:07] I'm not gonna own, that's hard. And so for me, and a lot of people, but definitely for me, the way that I can push myself to do something I wouldn't necessarily do just for myself is to make myself accountable to those I really care about. And so this is a group of people who are paying me a lot of money to coach them through this, which I'm doing.

[01:00:21] But then part of the deal was they get to watch me

[01:00:24] write my memoir and struggle with my memoir So that's kind of why I started it, but it's been going great, man. This group is amazing people, all with amazing stories. And it's, you know when you're doing work, like for you, like playing chess or talking about stuff that interests you, it's work, but it's not work. It's like the easiest thing. Scribe was such a hard business for me. Like every aspect of it was hard to do.

[01:01:40] Service businesses are always profitable from day one,

[01:01:45] but they're harder, but they take a therapeutic process. So like that's what you have to understand about it. And that's, I think a lot of people don't expect that. And so the way I teach memoir,

[01:03:00] first of all explains this to people upfront

[01:03:02] and tells them what to expect.

[01:03:03] And the way we structure it is like,

[01:03:06] so it's like, oh, okay, whatever is. If people are saying I can't believe he wrote that,

[01:04:20] then I feel like, not that you aim for that because then you're just aiming too much for shock value,

[01:04:25] but if that's just the natural. I think you were like my first guest on this podcast. It's like 1600 episodes later. I know, I've been on a bunch, man. Like I think your podcast is the podcast I've been on the most of anybody. Yeah, no, I think- Like eight times or something.

[01:05:40] Probably more.

[01:05:41] It's always super fun, yeah.

[01:05:42] Well, even though I really do think

[01:05:45] what you said is gonna happen is gonna happen,