Scott Adams: Unpacking Former President Donald Trump’s Livestream with Elon Musk and how Trump and Kamala will shape the 2024 Election

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: This is The James Altucher Show.

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny the last eight years went so quickly.

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It did.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess, you know, obviously we're both getting older, but it seems like one consistent

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: arc because eight years ago started the whole kind of Trump cycle.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like this one political arc where we went from an Obama Romney McCain type of

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: country to a Trump Hillary Biden type of country.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've seen it all.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And now this feels like kind of a repeat in the way.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel that?

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh God, not another Trump run for president.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a repeat, but it's also like Return of the Jedi.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So like Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back sets up the story and now there better be

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: a fucking close to this story or something bad is going to happen.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been talking about this as a three act movie for years.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And oh my God, is the movie nice.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing the movie requires is the Kraken.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The Kraken has to appear before the election.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: In other words, there has to be a legitimate court confirmed problem with the election.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I heard you talking about that just now on your coffee with Sky Adams,

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: which I actually want to talk about that format with you a little later.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But you mentioned how basically, you know, so there's been a lot of cybersecurity

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: conferences this summer.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest one is DEF CON.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So basically, you mentioned there's been a cybersecurity conference recently

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: where a bunch of kids in a room hacked every aspect of the election,

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: of a simulated election using the latest software machines and so on.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And your point is why even have election if this is true?

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And B, obviously, if a bunch of kids can do it, China can do it.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: If China can do it, we can do it to them.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's all a mess.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's not really a solution.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There really isn't.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the solution is, which also you kind of suggest, is that since it does

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: break the law, you need some aspect of a conspiracy.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You need people willing to break a law and you need to avoid issues with whistleblowers.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it starts to get too hard to believe that a concerted effort would

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: happen to steal an election.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And yet it's possible.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if it happens through electronic means, you don't need any accomplices

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and nobody would ever find it, I think.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, and so I since your thing this morning, I've talked to

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: some cybersecurity experts about this, and their only solution is that you need to

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: have more investment from government in securing election machines.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if that really solves the problem because the bad guys are

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: always smarter than the good guys in cybersecurity.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the mantra of cybersecurity.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, they've been doing this hacking thing for years and

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: everything every time they do it, they find a bunch of really big

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: vulnerabilities and then they get patched.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's just a new bunch.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So it may be just baked into the technology that you can't get it, you know, hack proof.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, certainly if the FBI is right and China is already in our major

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: infrastructure everywhere in the country, there's nothing that's hack proof.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But your point is kind of a mutual assured destruction thing, which is

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: if they screw with us, we will screw with them.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And, but I would say China is this weird kind of country where they're like in our

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: face saying, all right, do it because they don't care.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I gave up trying to figure out what China's thinking because

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: because I always think, okay, I should be a little more humble about that.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they're thinking.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we only know what they're doing, but China always strikes me as

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the country that's not trying to create a war like that.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing they're very, very consistent about.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause if you're China, you just have to wait.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it looks like time is on their side.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, check back in 200 years.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see who's running this planet.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we'll just make money.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just have babies and make money.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Although the making babies thing is slowing down.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I, the last thing they want is a war.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's true with us and Russia, at least a direct war.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So, so in terms of the election and actually, um, I want to get to a

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: bunch of other things, but in terms of the election, what's our alternative?

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: If we just simply don't trust the election process.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, other countries do paper ballots and vote the same day, show your ID,

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: have observers if you gave me those things and you know, I could make sure

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody is watching everything get counted and if you needed to recount it,

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you would just recount the ballots with somebody else watching.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: If you did that, I don't know how the cheating would happen.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it'd be really hard to cheat in that case.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good point.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is what I don't understand.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is not a Democrat or Republican thing.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a common sense thing.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Who is, it could possibly be against the showing of ID to vote.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And now, of course you could say, well, there's a lot of people who, who.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, okay.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The theory is Democrats don't want you to show ID because then illegal

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_00]: immigrants could vote for them and they'd win every single election ever.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is that really, does anyone actually think that?

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that really like a true thing?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm still waiting for the first human being to say, you know,

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd really love to vote, but I can't figure out how.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know how to get an ID and I wouldn't know who to

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: talk to to ask how to vote.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I need at least one human being out of, you know, there are many

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: people out there who have a lot of money, like $300 million, whatever, to

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: say that they can't figure it out.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And the problem is that whoever they said it to would say, oh,

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: well let me show you the moment.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The moment you said you didn't know how to do it.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The very first person would say, well, I have an ID here.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Just go down to the DMV.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So get given that you need an ID for every, like I am probably

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the closest person to what you just described.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't figure out anything that involves paperwork or bureaucracy.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a driver's license.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's hard for me to every April to just figure out the paperwork.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what forms do I need for taxes?

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And I get into trouble.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a big issue for me.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So I am the type of person who might show up at a voting center and I

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: just can't vote for some reason.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But, but like, you know, Kathy Hokel, the governor of New York even said

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: something like, oh, well some people are too poor to have the internet or to

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: have an ID, you need an ID for everything else.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I still fly an airplane miraculously with an ID.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you're right.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so who actually wants people with no IDs to vote?

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a law out there?

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there laws out there?

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not sure that the game is to get the

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: people with no IDs to vote.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It might have something to do with allowing the non-citizens coming across

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the border to at least get mail in ballots.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the thing I worry about.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not so much that the people who don't have ID or are not citizens can

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: actually go in in person and vote.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's a ton of that, or at least not enough to change the

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: election, but what there might be a ton of is millions of people who got

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: automatically signed up to vote, even though it's not legal for them to

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: vote, they might get mailed a ballot.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So having millions of ballots that are sort of floating around and available

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: for somebody to harvest, that looks like a risk and it looks

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like maybe the biggest one.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think I've even heard you say a couple of months ago that

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe no other countries or not many countries have a mail in voting process.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not an expert in that, but I'm not aware of any.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do know that, well, let's just put it this way.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at our system, we, you have to ask this question, which

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen anyone else ask except me, which is why do you have

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: electronic voting machines at all?

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Now your common sense says, oh, obviously they're more efficient.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They save time there.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you get a better result is more accurate.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The public will believe it.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and we're done with the counting as soon as the last vote comes

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: in and I'm thinking, okay, how much of that is true?

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: None of it.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not faster than a hand counted ballots.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we wait days where countries who just have ballots, they

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: just count them up.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Then some people say, but Scott, we have so much bigger population

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to which I say, we also have what 157,000 people volunteered to be

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: poll watchers just on the Republican side.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: We got all the people you need.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: If you need more people to count ballots, it's probably not hard at all

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to get as many as you need.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So if it's not faster, I'm sure it's not cheaper.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It couldn't possibly be easier to administer because of all the

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: maintenance and keeping the security upgraded, et cetera.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did they exist?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the thing I worry about is that the only reason they exist is so

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that our country could control the elections in other countries because,

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, if we thought we could hack them or we thought we said that's

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: some kind of inside track, it would be a good way to overthrow other

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: countries and make sure that they got the leaders that liked America.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, if that same equipment that these hypothetical people in America

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: were using to control other elections was used in America, would it give

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: them hypothetically access to control American elections?

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I don't know why else they exist.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, nobody's ever even offered a, uh, an alternative explanation as in,

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: well, Scott, you idiot.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's obvious the advantages are what?

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Just, just playing the devil's advocate, you mentioned faster.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem when you have an electronic voting machine, just

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: conceptually it's going to, it's going to be instant to count.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And why is it faster?

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But we observe it's not.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We observe that it takes, uh, isn't it Pennsylvania or I forget which state,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe Pennsylvania already said, uh, don't expect these to be counted right away.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what might be a day or two.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And you usually they're talking about maybe mail in ballots that, um,

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: were legal to be counted, but didn't yet get counted.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe they were in the mail or something like that.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's, there's always a reason why we don't get a fast

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: result in the United States.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: If we did, I would say, you know, that's a pretty good argument.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Two directions.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: One is I mentioned earlier, we've been having podcasts for you and I for,

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: for eight years, you were originally the Dilbert guy for, for hundreds of

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: years, you were the guy who wrote Dilbert.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody who has a cubicle has Dilbert cartoons hung up in their

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: cubicle that's who you were.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You were this guy who everybody knew.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knew Dilbert loved Dilbert and you had tons of books.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a potential for a cartoon we talked about originally in a

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: major amazing story of how you, you pitched Dilbert everywhere and just by

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: luck really kind of, you know, luck born from persistence, but your

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Dilbert was picked up and then became the most widely syndicated cartoon.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Such a great story.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You have books about your story.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything was great.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Now Dilbert's nowhere and I shouldn't say it's nowhere.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's online prescription.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, by subscription.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Prescription and subscription.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You need to read more Dilbert.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You need both.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And, and you know, and you offer this really astute analysis on

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: politics like I are like back in 2015, February of 2015, I think it

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: was you said when there were still 18 candidates running for the

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Republican nomination for president early on in that election, you

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: said Donald Trump is going to be the next winner.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Your basis was, you know, you're training in hypnosis and you

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: felt he was like the best hypnotist you've ever seen.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And that proved to be true.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And now here we are so many years later, everybody, nobody was

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: expecting him to be the nominee again.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course he's the nominee.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's this really interesting election where Biden drops out.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And because he was clearly, I mean, just clearly something was off.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's almost sad.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I saw, did you see the, this interview he just did explaining what happened?

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It was hard to watch.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was very difficult to watch that.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It was hard to watch.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I, I almost think he's worse now medically than when the debate happened.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it looked to me like half it.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It looked to me like he had had a stroke at some point recently, like

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: half his face was drooping a little bit.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was concerned on that level for him, but, but now you have

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Kamala Harris running and it's a strange thing.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you mentioned the other day.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought a very fascinating thing that she's she, her campaign is

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: basically claiming she's the generic Democrat.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's hard to run against a faceless person.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like we, we know the flaws of Biden and we know the flaws of Kamala Harris.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know the flaws of the generic Democrat.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, many people, including yourself, including me, including

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Elon Musk last night said at different points, Hey, I was a

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: lifelong Democrat until blah, blah, blah.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So everybody's the generic Democrat.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, so, and you go to her website, there are no issues.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You know Trump's website or any other candidate.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not singling out Trump.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole list of issues, but the, her, her website is just donate money.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, on some level, Trump almost doesn't need issues because he's really

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: running to say, how about I do what I did the first term?

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: If you like that, I'll do a little more of that.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you kind of know what you're going to get with him.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: He does do the basic hygiene of showing you in writing what he's planning to do.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the fact that, uh, the propaganda brainwashing machine in this country is

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: so strong that they could keep first of all, Biden off of the

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: campaign trail and just hide them.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And we know now that the reason for hiding him was not just COVID.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty obvious they were hiding him to keep his gaffes down.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you couldn't see his decline, but now they're just doing the same play

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and it will work for the same reason.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I've actually praised that for its persuasive genius, really.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's literally looks like genius to me.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't look like they just bumbled around and they're starting to get lucky.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe some of the Obama wizards are, you know, applying their

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: craft for a Kamala Harris because the, the boldness of just not talking

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to the press and just do scripted things that are speech is so unusual

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that nobody except an idiot or a genius would even bring that up in a meeting.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's the genius thing.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So I would be really worried if I were Trump, because

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm a smart people.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And the other, the other indication that it's more smart than lucky

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is where they reframed the cackling that I would imagine annoyed at least

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: most men that Kamala Harris made her look sort of unserious and, you know,

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: not really like a leader who was more like somebody laughing at the

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: PTA meeting or something.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And they redefined that as joy.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And the first time I heard it was like, nah, you know,

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that's just typical politics.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And as it sunk in, and then I watched her rallies where her,

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: her fans were really overjoyed and they were laughing and literally

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: dancing and her VP pick is laughing hard.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's bending over and laughter.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking, oh my God, they sold that not just to their base,

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm watching it as, you know, let's say a critical analyst.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking, you actually made that work.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That that looked, that looks like joy and it's really impressive.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't say enough about how brilliant that is.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So that would be two hugely unexpected, brilliant moves that came in quick

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: succession after you hadn't seen anything like that from her campaign or

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: her earlier life.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing they've done, which reminds me of some things you wrote

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: about in, or things we've talked about after the 2016 election, but

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you also wrote about it and went bigly is they took this word weird

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and I've applied it to the Trump campaign and JD Vance.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I remember talking with you and you basically said what Trump

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_00]: would do is pick an unusual word that hasn't really been used in politics

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and apply it to his opponent.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So it stands out more.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And you, you, the one thing they didn't do, like you would, you

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: would say how, like, you use the word in an unusual way, like sleep

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Joe instead of sleeping Joe, like drop the G and or whatever.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They do have the word have some weird spellings.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So they didn't do that, but just the phrase weird is not really a word

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that I've seen in political campaigns before.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course it was picked up everywhere because the persuasion

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: machine knows how to get the word out.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We're all going to say weird now than everybody did in unison.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And my take on that is that that was a short term brilliance because

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: what they needed was in the short term to get people talking about

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: something that was about the other side and not something about Biden

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: failing and Kamala and not talking to the press and, you know,

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: not doing the tough stuff.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a great diversion, but it had the following weakness,

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_01]: which is people like to be weird.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: If you talk to any individual, say describe yourself and say, well,

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I'm a little weird this way.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little weird.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So at first it's this big distraction that worked perfectly as a

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: distraction, but I think they've already started to back off it

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: because, you know, as I posted, I like being weird.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, one of the things I like about the Trump supporters is

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that I've described it in the past as a pirate ship.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what kind of ship has Elon Musk and, you know, me and,

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, Mike Sertovich and, you know, you kind of go down the

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: line.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like now some of the all in pod guys and, you know, Bill

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Ackman's on this ship and like, what do they even have in

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: common?

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the hard thing to figure out.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So what do they have in common other than love of country?

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think is very much in common.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So the weird thing doesn't have legs, but it was brilliant as

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: short-term diversion.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I agree like in the sense that weird is often,

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, people could be proud of it, but maybe it is

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: possible to label like it reminds me of in 1988,

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Bush won calling Dukakis liberal.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing wrong with being liberal and somehow it

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: stuck as this very negative phrase and maybe in part cost

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Dukakis the election.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't really a negative word before then, but he made it

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: a negative word.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: His campaign made it a negative word and maybe they're

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: doing the same thing with the word weird.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was sort of the weak fun version that everybody

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: could use.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But you see Trump using and also the Republicans using

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: communist socialist and Marxist and my complaint with

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that is that the few people who could define any of those

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: terms have already decided they're not really in play.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the people were paying attention at that level.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They know who they're going to vote for.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to change their mind, but you get,

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but by the time you get into the undecideds, the ones

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: who are just basically have a feel for it.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel better about this one.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, those are the ones that can be persuaded.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to be persuaded by a concept.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, did you know her father was a Marxist?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what's the Marxist again?

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: How is that different than a communist?

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, but we're kind of socialist, aren't we?

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we have some social security.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Is Marxist bad?

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that's where you get as soon

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: as you get down to the undecideds.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what the hell that is.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same like the word fascist.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Like nobody really understands what there isn't

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: even actually a very clear definition of fascism,

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: but no one really.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've been hearing the word fascist being called

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: on both sides, but really it's more directed at Trump.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And your whole point was if he was going to be

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: an Adolf Hitler, don't you think we would have

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: seen that during the four years?

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He was actually president.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you one could argue there was,

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: there were the lockdowns during COVID

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that has elements of, to me that has elements

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: of fascism and that did occur during his administration.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I talk to people who say,

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: well, you know, the Democrats persuaded him to do that.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But as Harry Truman says, the buck stops here.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He was the president.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only concern I have is that he was

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: very manipulated into these economic lockdowns.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that all the leaders are going

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: to have to answer for whatever they did

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: during the pandemic.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll tell you what I said when the pandemic

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: first kicked off and we knew that we had

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: this brand new thing or we thought it was brand new

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that we'd never dealt with before.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And we would be guessing, you know, what to do.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, here's my take.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said probably 50 times before we do anything

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: about how things would turn out.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, your leaders are going to have to guess.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to because yeah,

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and they'll guess differently, but somebody

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to be right and somebody is going

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: to be wrong and you can't tell today.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You might have a strong opinion, but you don't know

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: if let's say a two-day, two-week work lockdown

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: would make a difference.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't know.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And it would take a long time for us to decide

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: what was real and what wasn't real about the pandemic.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So I said my take on day one is I'm going

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to forgive every leader who guessed wrong

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: because it is guessing.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not going to allow that level

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: of humility first to yourself, you know,

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't know the right answer.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I also predicted, and I hate that I was right

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: about this, that the people who got lucky

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm going to call it luck just

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to make all of your viewers angry.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The ones who were right, let's say they took decisions

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that in the aftermath of it, they say, well,

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I did what I did.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Those other people clearly made a mistake

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: with what they did.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That people would be claiming brilliance

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: as if they knew all along.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing like that is true.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody knew all along.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It couldn't go on either way on everything.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there are a few things you could know

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: like masks and et cetera, but for the most part,

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody knew.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Give me one classic example.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The people who are claiming to be the smartest

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: are the ones who said the government

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and big pharma had too much money involved.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: There was too much mandatory forcing things

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: or to be sketchy things about ivermectin

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and whether they'd let you look at it.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It looked like they were all gaming this thing.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And so all of the signals told me

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that I would be unsafe if I took the vaccination.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I hid in the mountains

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and didn't take the vaccination.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that sounds brilliant after the fact

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're all claiming credit

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and giving a parade.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they talk to me and I say,

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: all right, let me understand this.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You looked at a weaponized virus

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that you knew nothing about

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: because we couldn't know

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: what was the long-term impact of being infected.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you looked at a vaccination

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that you also didn't know anything about.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So you compare the two risks

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that you could not evaluate either of them.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I decided that the risk of having a weaponized

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: something that somebody had designed to kill,

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way, that would be more of an assumption,

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: if somebody designed something to make it more deadly,

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a pretty risky situation

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: if you get that in you.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody else is trying really hard

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and it would be their preference, of course,

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that it worked perfectly, was safe enough,

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: all vaccines have a little danger,

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_01]: safe enough and didn't give you any bad after effects

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that they were at least trying

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to protect you from that thing

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that somebody else made to kill you

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: or at least give you a harder time with the virus.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And the proposition was that

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: even if it didn't stop it from spreading,

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: which I predicted the vaccine,

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: in the beginning I predicted the vaccination

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't work as a vaccination.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But there was some indication

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: it might reduce your hospitalization

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and there was some worry about long COVID.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, all of those were unknown.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Was long COVID real?

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Would it be bad?

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Was the weaponized virus

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: going to tell you everything about it

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: by the two weeks you had it?

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Or would there be an after effect

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that would be really the bad part?

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: If you took the vaccination

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: would have no impact on whether you spread it

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but would it reduce your hospitalization?

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, all the data

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that came out of that is contradictory.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So we can't even tell what was true now.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So my point is that people were,

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: let's say had a half opinion, I call it,

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: where you look at the benefit of something

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but not the cost.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They looked at the benefit

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of not getting the vaccination

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but they were somewhat blind to the fact

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that it was a weaponized virus.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know what the long-term effect

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: was that of that would be

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and we also didn't know

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: if you got the right vaccination

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: would it lessen your risk

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in the long term from some form of long COVID?

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I still don't know

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the answer to any of those questions.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to remain humble.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't brag about any of my opinions

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think everybody else

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: should be in that same boat.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Our leaders couldn't have known

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: some guess right or writer than other people.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody did great, in my opinion.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And we might be, maybe we should be

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: a little more forgiving about those errors

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: as deadly as they were.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree in the sense that

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: there was the movie about pandemics

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: that suddenly the whole world goes crazy

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and shuts down and everybody dies.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And so we're afraid of this kind of worst case scenario

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: as humans almost biologically are

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and so we shut down the world economy.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And my point is fascism

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: is when government has

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: this obscene amount of control over business.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So for instance, Nazi Germany

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_00]: turns all the companies into

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: military weapons making companies.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is every country though.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Every country can control its corporations.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but I guess some countries

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: do it more or less than others.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So the shutting down of making it illegal

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: to open up shop for business

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: has elements of fascism.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it happened throughout the pandemic

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: no matter who was,

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: whether when Trump was president

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: or when Biden was president.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But to your point,

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: we just didn't know and it was scary.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And hey, if this is when we pull the fascism card

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: this is when we do it.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But what people don't seem to understand

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: is that almost every,

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: if I ask somebody who was a fascist

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: they'll say Hitler, Mussolini, Mao.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody seems to realize these were all

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: socialists originally.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Hitler was head of the

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: National Socialist Party.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Mussolini was head of

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: the Italian Socialist Party.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Mao of course was a communist.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about Perona

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: or I mean Argentina yesterday

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: or Musk and Trump were talking about

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: how great Argentina was

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in the 30s and 40s.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: What happened in the 50s?

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Peron, a socialist who became fascist took over.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of obvious to me that fascism,

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: the roots in many cases,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: like let's say 90%, not 100%.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Fascism comes from socialism.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, is that just because

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: claiming socialism is what gets you elected?

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's related to populism.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so then you were just always

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: a social, you were always a fascist

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but you couldn't be your fascist self

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: until you fooled them into thinking,

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, I'm in it for you.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, first you have to say

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: under me you're going to get everything

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and then when you're a fascist

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you take everything from some percentage

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: of the population that still keeps 90% for you.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean all of our leaders

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: are corrupt when they have power.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the bottom line.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and again, I think this,

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: the other thing about messaging,

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: when Kamala first became the nominee,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and by the way this is not,

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: this is more talking game,

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: the game-like aspects of campaigning.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about something you said

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: which is how Hillary was doing well in 2016

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in the summer when she said

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: about Trump do you really want his

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: hands on the nuclear button?

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was driving her up in the polls

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and then she switched to on with her

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: not realizing that 50% of the people

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: might feel funny about that.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: As much as everybody wants to be

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: for everybody's rights,

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: just men or men, women or women,

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: there's different things going on

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: in the brain and so on.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And I saw Kamala was using this

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: on with her for a while.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it anymore though.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there was a time

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: when Hillary Clinton also said

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that a woman would make a better leader

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're better at listening

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and every part of my body just went,

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, like no.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: To me that seemed so sexist

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that I couldn't even imagine

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: their campaign would last after that,

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: but of course it did.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the overt sexism

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that they can get away with

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: is kind of shocking.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Last night what I heard

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: were two smart guys talking

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: whether you agree or disagree

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: both of them were saying or not

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: is not important.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And what I heard

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and then what I read this morning

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: in the headlines seemed to be different

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm curious about your opinion on that.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So I heard things like,

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: look it's probably a good idea

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: where it is a good idea

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to vet people coming into your country

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to make sure that they're not criminals.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It is a good idea to be very worried

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: about countries that have nuclear weapons.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It is a good idea

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to be more efficient

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: about government spending

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because that causes inflation.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Every candidate ever says that

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and we'll see whether or not

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: any of the candidates

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: can do something about it.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But on and on

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I heard kind of smart common sense things

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that nobody would disagree with

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but then in the headlines this morning

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I heard I read

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: a slurring rambling Trump

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_00]: incoherently talking with

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: an egomaniac Musk.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Musk who was by the way

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: you wouldn't think this guy

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you would think this guy was like maybe

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: just a smart you know analyst.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't necessarily think

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know this is a billionaire

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: running a bunch of companies

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: that have done very successfully.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It just seemed like two smart guys talking.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So isn't it what am I hearing

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that these reporters covering it

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't hear or did I did I miss something?

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the reporters are smart too.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I mean predictably

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: in the election season

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: everybody's just going to put it

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: through their own filter.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The part that was really dangerous

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and there was a moment

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was listening to it live

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that I thought it was the end of his campaign.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought oh wait I have to guess

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: because I have to guess

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: which part that might have been.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay when he was talking about Kamala Harris

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_00]: looking a little like Melania.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No but that was an issue.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't he actually say

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that she was a very attractive woman

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: when he talked about Kamala Harris?

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Did I hear that?

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I heard it

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and I wasn't sure I could heard it right.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Or he said that there were pictures

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of her that were very attractive.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it was just an interesting concession

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: to the person who's running against.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Now here's something

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that not everybody heard

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because apparently depending on

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: where you were

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and what you were listening to

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he sounded like he was slurring

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: like his dentures were falling out.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have dentures

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: or that he was drunk.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Or that he just had a stroke or something.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Now apparently that's an audio artifact

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that is known to happen on spaces

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're the host

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and doesn't seem to hit the other accounts

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: such as Elon Musk was fine.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's what the smart people

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_01]: who have experience on spaces tell me.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That it's been something

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that's annoyed other hosts

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: who also sounded the same

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's a very specific known

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: technical problem

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that will make a normal person

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: sound like they're slurring.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is my working assumption

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that that's true

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: because the people who say it's true

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: are in my view quite credible.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it doesn't matter what's true

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it just matters

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: what the Democrats will make of it

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and when I heard that

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought oh my god

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what this is about.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he just came from the dentist.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he did.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But whatever this is

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be all over social media

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and that will be the story

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that there's something wrong

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: with his brain or something.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: if you sampled the left and right media

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the left was all about rambling

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and slurring.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was my take as well.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard the slurring

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: although I think it was the technology

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: not the speaker

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and the rambling was because of the format.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Elon had a great idea

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: which is let's do something

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like a conversation

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: without a specific end time

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and you'll get to know somebody this way.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that the person he was doing it with is Trump

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and Trump is the most famous filler of space

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of all people ever.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't say

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: we've got a tight schedule here

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to get to a bunch of questions

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump's got all the time he wants

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to just keep talking.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So he would just start

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and he'd just keep going from one topic

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to another

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and he'd get back to the border

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and then back to something

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and back to the border

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and it didn't seem tight

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you like Trump

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you liked more of it.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: If you were his opponent

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you said there he is rambling

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and slurring

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and they weren't too far off.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Again the slurring was the technology

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and I am and I don't know

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that it changed any minds.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is not a single voter

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: changed their vote because of it

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: but I give Elon Musk

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: really a lot of credit

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: for trying a new thing

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: doing it in a different way

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: knowing that the old ways

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: of getting our information

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: had all kinds of problems

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and putting his neck out.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he risked not only the company

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but his own reputation

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and that I want more of.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it worked.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if he had to do it over again

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the phone call part of it

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't do it's not good

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: for interrupting

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and normal conversations

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: have a normal amount of interrupting

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: like okay I get your point

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: let's go to the next question.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think just in terms of

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: controlling the interview

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: so that the audience liked it

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it was lacking.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Elon I saw Elon just before I got on

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: asked on X if anybody had done

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: an edited version

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: of something like the best hour

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: of the two hours.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think everybody's aware

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that it went a little long

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but again I'm not going to criticize

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: a mistake that was in a brand new thing.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody's going to do

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: a brand new thing

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and they make mistakes

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a home run

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: because you fix the mistakes

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: next time or you learn something.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So in terms of what I want to see

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: America do A plus

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but it had some flaws.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I also have to give credit for Elon

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and it suddenly became more clear

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to me than ever

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that buying Twitter

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: was not a mistake for him.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like at first I thought

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: when he first offered to buy Twitter

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and then he took the offer back

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was just

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: my initial inclination

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_00]: which I now believe I'm wrong about

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_00]: is that he was on this

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Adderall frenzy

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's just like

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll buy Twitter for 52 billion

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and then he's like realized

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: oh my god

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have 52 billion cash

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: to spend like this

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: but last night he's basically

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of talking

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: it's all the talking points

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: for all his companies

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: shouldn't we have trains and tunnels

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and sustainable energy

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: with solar and blah blah blah

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: so everything was like a talking point

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: for his company

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's saying it

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: to the president of the United

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you know someone who could be

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: the president of the United States

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and was the president

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: of the United States

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: very smart for him to do

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: like genius

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but it works if Trump wins

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: but I can't remember

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the last time there was

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: a conversation with a presidential candidate

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that lasted

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know two hours like that

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: or how two and a half hours

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of any president

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: like I think

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Barack Obama could have pulled it off

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_00]: if he was like

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: they reminded me in 2008

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Bill O'Reilly interviewing

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Barack Obama

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: so I listened to that

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: because of the contrast

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and I thought it was

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: a really well done interview

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: both sides expressed themselves well

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: it only was a half hour or so

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: it wasn't like three hours

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but I thought that

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it reminded me a little of that

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of other examples

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_00]: though really

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean can you think of any example

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: from any election

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No but it reminds me of you know

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Castro talking for four hours

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_01]: or something

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it has more to do with

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the personality

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and he just had the freedom

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to say what he wanted to say

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and if you're Trump

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the things you know

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: is that reality is repetition

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: so what people hear the most

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: becomes the reality

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean we're not exactly good

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: rational thinkers

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: so here he is with this gigantic audience

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that he knew would be

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you know record breaking

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're listening

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: so any moment

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that Elon was going to let him keep talking

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: he would think

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: okay I guess I can keep talking

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: so he just filled all the

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: he filled all the space

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you wouldn't expect Trump

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to do less than that

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean one of the things

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I like about him is

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I say this all the time

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if he walks past the table

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a bunch of money

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and it has a sign

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that says free money

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: he'll pick it up

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: other people will walk by it

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and every time this happens

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll think

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: why are you walking past it

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a free table of money

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know when he talked to the

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the service workers

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and said no tax on tips

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: it was so simple

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: to pick up the free money

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that I just laughed

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and of course the Harris campaign

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: doubly smart

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way here's another example of genius

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: so if you're looking for the Harris campaign

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: who's the genius behind them

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but whoever said

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: why don't you just go say

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you'll you're in favor of that too

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: now in no world

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: did that ever make sense before

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to simply immediately embrace

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: your opponent's brand new idea

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: never made sense before

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and again

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're in the meeting

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: when somebody brought that up

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: your instinct would be

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: okay that's the dumbest person in the meeting

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: or a genius

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and it turned out to be genius

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that's three in a row

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't do that many genius things by accident

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: so she's got somebody really smart

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_01]: running the show behind the scenes

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: well it's interesting

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_00]: this brings up the topic of

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: who are quote unquote they

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: because always there seems to be

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you know for hundreds of years

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: people talk about how

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: they really rule the world

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: there's some mysterious they

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: behind the scenes

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and when I've talked to people close to Trump

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you know who's giving him his main advice

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and so on

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: people say

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: people just sort of laugh and say

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump's his own

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you cannot tell

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you know he is going to come up with his ideas

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and strategies

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: he'll make his decisions

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_00]: he is doing it

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and but there is this sense that

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: somebody pulled the strings

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: for instance getting Biden out of the race

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: putting Kamala in the race

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: coming up with this

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: these messaging tactics

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: like it is actually courageous

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: in a political game sense

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to take your opponent's issues

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and make them your own

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and give them zero credit

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: when everyone knows

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: this is his policy

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Democrat or everyone knows

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but now it's her policy

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and everyone's cool with that

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it worked

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah it worked

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: so who who there is a they

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and so in at least in terms of this campaign

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_00]: who are they

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: so here's how I like to think of the world

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: this is one of my reframes

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in my reframe book

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that the person with the best idea

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: is always in charge

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: so this is from my corporate world

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know you're sitting in the meeting

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're the most junior person

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: in the meeting

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: then all the people who know

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: what they're talking about

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the experts the bosses

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: they talk talk talk

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: none of them have a good idea

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: then you wait until everybody's tired

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a few minutes left in the meeting

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you go you know I had an idea

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: why don't we do a little small test of this

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and in a week we'll have much better information

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and everybody gets quiet

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and they go oh yeah

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we could just test it

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: because that was the best idea

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: so the person in charge

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: was the best idea person

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: not not the boss

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: not the expert

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: not the guru

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the person who said something

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you can actually do

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that would work

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: so in every meeting I've ever been in

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: after I learned that little trick

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I just assumed I was in charge

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: because if I had a good idea

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it would win the day

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and if I didn't

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't win the day

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think Trump is a perfect example

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: of the best idea

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: he scans all of the mostly Republican pundits

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and smart people

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and he looks for ideas that are sticky

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that he could sell

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that you know agree with where he's going

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he adopts them

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know we've been seeing this for years

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: often you can identify where it came from

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you say oh that's

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard that that other pundit

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: who's really smart and say that the other day

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and now he's

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump's using a version of that

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that's probably where he got it

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: on the Democrat side

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it might be more the paid expert consultants

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you know are in the room

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and probably whoever had that the great idea

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: or maybe more than one

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: is just getting more attention

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so it might be that who's in charge

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: as a person who had the greatest ideas lately

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that other people recognized as the greatest ideas

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think it's just smartest person winning

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: is what I see

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's true for let's say like the weird

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like somebody said it

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it caught on

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and everybody was like

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_00]: looked around at each other

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and said hey let's keep running with that

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_00]: but this concept of

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: hey we need to start making speeches about

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: or at least leak that we're in favor of

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: no taxes on tips

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that's someone put that into motion

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like that would

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that was come up within a meeting

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and someone put that into motion

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and someone had to

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Kamala had to agree to that

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_00]: like someone in charge had to agree to that

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and so there's two things

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_00]: there's the right idea man

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's the person who agreed to it

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it's Kamala or her campaign manager

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_00]: or whatever

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and it seems to me

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: these are unknown people

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: well think about how much credibility

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and or power you would have to have

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: over a presidential candidate

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: to get them to say yes to that

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean either Kabbalah Harris is being controlled

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: or she's got a lot of trust in somebody

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and she made the right call

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: because whoever she's trusting

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: on that advice is nailing it

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I mean and again the only other

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I could think of something

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_00]: it reminds me of which is

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Obama in 2008 again

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_00]: on the TARP bailouts

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: remember the TARP 1 failed

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_00]: which was the bailout of the economy

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Congress didn't pass it

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Bush's job to convince the Republicans in Congress

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to pass some sort of bailout bill

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: TARP 2

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Bush, McCain and Obama in an office

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: with all the congressional leaders

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and McCain stayed silent

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Obama took Bush aside

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and convinced

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the Republicans in Congress

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_00]: to vote for TARP 2

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that might have cost McCain

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_00]: again it might have been a factor

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: in costing McCain the election

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that he was silent

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_00]: during this time

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and Obama did have the courage

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_00]: to side with Bush

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_00]: so that strikes me as a little bit similar

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_00]: although not the exact thing

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I don't know too much about that story

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do suspect that there's some Obama influence

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: on the Kamala Harris campaign

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of the persuasion stuff

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think this is what disturbs a lot of

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Democrats former Democrats

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_00]: like let's take the Bill Ackerman's of the world

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_00]: because I found myself

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you know agreeing with everything he was saying

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_00]: college campuses

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_00]: my daughter

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_00]: went to just graduated from Columbia

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and by the way

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I've written constantly about kids

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_00]: do not send your kids to college

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_00]: don't own a home

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I ended up owning a home

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and sending my kids to college

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm completely ashamed of myself

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that I couldn't follow my own advice

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but I sadly sent my daughter to Columbia

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and now

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you see

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the unveiling of anti-Semitism on these campuses

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: like people think

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: people say I'm against Israel

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not against Jews

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_00]: no they're really against Jews

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and you have these three deans just fired

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_00]: for talking about the Jews

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and their money

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and their privilege

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and I feel sad for my daughter

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that this was the

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: secretly the leaders of the college

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: the educational institution she went to

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_00]: were all kind of thinking this

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_00]: about her

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_00]: not her specifically

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_00]: but her generally

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_00]: being a Jewish student on campus

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and what is up with the fact that

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: smart intelligent people

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: suddenly thinking that hey

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Hamas they're pretty good people

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_00]: okay

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_00]: we ever nobody disagrees

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_00]: that killing women children war is all that

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: no one disagrees on that

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but the fact that

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: we're just going to ignore October 7th

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and now recent polls

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: people don't even know what October 7th was

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they're just like hate Israel

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we're just gonna ignore October 7th

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and Hamas is doing

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: we got to just listen to everything

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: they say

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like where did this come from

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and it seems to be a democratic issue

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: well maybe it comes from

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_01]: just the environment

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: in the educational institutions

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: where they're just closing off

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the outside voices

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know if you take

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Patty Hearst

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and you kidnapper

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you're the Symbionese Liberation Army

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you know a real story from the past

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: where they kept her as a captive

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: until Stockholm Syndrome kicked in

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and she started siding with their captors

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and she started thinking that

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: she could rob a bank too

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's a well understood thing

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that if you're isolated

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: from outside influence

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that's how a cult works

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a cult has to cut you off

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: from outside influences first

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: so it could be just the lack

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: of outside influences

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that they hired a certain kind of person

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you put a bunch of people

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: no matter who they are

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: in an isolated place

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and you get weird results eventually

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I guess

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I haven't looked at it that way

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like a Stockholm Syndrome effect

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's you know

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_00]: James Lindsay has spoken about how

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: professors on these campuses

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_00]: since the difference between the 60s

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and now is that professors

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_00]: would speak then

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: but they would just stick to teaching

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and now they're more

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: professors are more activists

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's encouraged the students

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to take to be more activists

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: combined with the Stockholm Syndrome effect

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: well I think what it used to be

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was young

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: people could work together

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and disagree

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and they say

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_01]: oh I like this Republican stuff

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and you like this Democrat stuff

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and first of all

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: they weren't super different

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so part of it is that

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the distinction has grown

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but then it turned into

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: if you have this opinion

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even talk to you

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: or deal with you

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_01]: or you're a monster

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you're a fascist

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_01]: so as soon as the rhetoric

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: got to the point where

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't just disagree with you

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you're Hitler

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that's when whoever had the most people

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: was going to end up

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: having all the people

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: so in other words

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: if you got to the point

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: where three quarters of the people

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: were going to call the

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: one quarter Hillers

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the Hillers are all going to go

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: get jobs somewhere else

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_01]: or get fired or not get hired

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: so once you reach like some kind of

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe it's a two-thirds majority

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: of one opinion

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to squeeze out the others

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: if the people who have that opinion

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: can say you know what

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you should have a job

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: things got pretty harsh

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and it's like last night

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: this guy from the EU

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Terry I don't know his last name

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Breton or something like that

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Benton I don't know

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Breton I think

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah Breton he wrote to Elon Musk

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and said do not do this interview

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_00]: it'll be you know

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you must censor this

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and why again

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_00]: we live in a world that pays

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_00]: lip service to free speech

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_00]: free speech is a good thing

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: except you know

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: we don't want Nazis

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: for instance marching downtown

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but even there the ACLU

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_00]: has protected the rights of

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the American Nazi party

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_00]: doing marches in the U.S.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but now things are different

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_00]: now you really like

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: tens of millions of people

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: quit Twitter

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: when Elon Musk took over

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_00]: only because he said

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_00]: we're gonna allow free speech

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and it you know

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_00]: look I once dated someone

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_00]: who was bipolar

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and the one thing

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I learned about bipolar

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_00]: is you could never ask

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_00]: why did you do this

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's crazy

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_00]: there is no actual answer

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a crazy answer

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_00]: something crazy was happening

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and I feel like society

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe I'm just waking up to it

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_00]: or or something

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like society

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_00]: has become mentally ill

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: well you know

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: there's something to that

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_01]: there are studies that show that

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_01]: something like 62 percent of

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: single liberal women

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: are treated for mental illness

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: so you know depression

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: anxiety sort of thing

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so the Democrat party

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_01]: which is by far dominated

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: by females

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and a lot of single females

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: literally are dealing

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: with mental illness

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_01]: as their primary motivating

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: drive

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: now that might seem like hyperbole

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you look at the policies

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you look at the fact

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that you know something

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like two-thirds of them

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: have genuine mental problems

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you can see why they'd be just

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: simply afraid that Trump

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: would be Hitler

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_01]: they're afraid their democracy

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: is being stolen

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the end of elections

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: forever if Trump gets in

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and none of these seem to track

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: with anything we saw from him

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: for the first few years of his term

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but they would be symptomatic

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_01]: of somebody who's got a mental problem

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody who's worrying too much

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: about the wrong things

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: but it seems like it's not only

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like I have smart friends

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_00]: who come up to

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and look I don't vote

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and I tell people I don't vote

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_00]: people get very upset at me

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care whatever

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but people come

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I have friends who come up to me

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and said they can't understand

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: men women

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_00]: they can't understand why anyone

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_00]: what kind of person votes for Trump

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm thinking to myself

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_00]: 80 million people voted for Trump

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_00]: 80 million voted for Biden

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_00]: clearly there's a lot of people

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's half and half roughly

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't know any of them

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't know

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't know why any of them

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_00]: like you said

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_00]: there's everybody ranging from Bill Ackman

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to an evangelical

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and Alabama to you know you

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and other people Elon Musk

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: so why are people so disconnected now

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_00]: from it's just simple common sense

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: here are you know

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you see these people every day

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they're voting for them

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and other people are voting

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_00]: other smart people are voting for Kamala

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so I've provocatively said recently

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that you can't have a political conversation

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: with somebody who thinks the news is real

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but you just can't

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because they will be working under some

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you know brainwashed understanding

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of what's happening

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and this works both ways

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not just one side

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you know so politics is mostly

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: a brainwashing competition

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and what's different is

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the news sources are so siloed

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that even on social media

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I have almost no contact

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: except trolls paid trolls

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_01]: of anybody on the other side

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so in 2016 or something

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: if I tweeted anything political

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe a third of my comments

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_01]: would be super disagreement

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: from some Democrat who's mad

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: today the only disagreement I'll get

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: is the very first comment

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: from somebody who's obviously

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_01]: a paid troll

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because they hate me

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but they follow me

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: they don't have many followers

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: they have an anonymous

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you know all the tells

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and they'll be there consistently

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but actual human beings

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_01]: who are not paid to be trolls

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: almost no contact

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the algorithm is separated

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: even on axe

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that is not trying to be biased

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I don't think

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: they're trying to be biased

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: they've completely separated me

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: from any contact

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: with somebody who has

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: a different opinion

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and I have to go look for it

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: or somebody has to send it to me

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: or I don't even see it

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so I you know

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I make it a habit

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure I spend

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a good amount of time

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: looking at MSNBC

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and CNN and alternate sources

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: so I can at least

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: get a sense of what's going on

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: in the other side

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but most people aren't going to take the time

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I do it for a living

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's part of what I do

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm going to check both sides

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: just so I don't sound stupid

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you don't

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: if you don't have any reason

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to check the other side

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't happen naturally

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's probably

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the biggest problem

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So given all this

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: all that we discussed

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and given the fact that

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you have been

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_00]: lucky or not

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you've been a reliable predictor

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: of these things

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: what's going to happen

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_00]: if I'm going to make bets

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_00]: on polymarket today

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_00]: what should I bet on

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that's how I vote

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I would bet we won't have a result

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: so here's what I think

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_01]: no matter who wins

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the other side

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to be absolutely positive

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: something suspicious happened

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and they will be so mad

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and they will think

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's the end of the world

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: if they don't act

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's probably going to get dangerous

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and at least

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: you know

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a lot of lawfare and lawsuits

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: all kinds of protests

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and whatnot

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: no matter who wins

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't know that the system

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: can figure out how to solve it

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because it will be things like

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01]: well we have this strong evidence

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that something suspicious happened here

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and if you were to certify

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: this election

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know looks like

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a big problem

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and again

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: this could be on either direction

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I think both sides will claim

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_01]: if they lose

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: whoever loses

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to say it was rigged

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way we have a long history

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of whoever loses in America

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_01]: says it was rigged

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and but we don't have a long history

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_00]: of prosecuting that

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_00]: so like Nixon

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: in 1960

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Nixon thought

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy stole the election

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_00]: there were dead people

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_00]: who voted in Chicago

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Nixon actually took it to court

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_00]: but he never announced

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that he was taking it to court

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and he conceded

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the night of the election

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and ultimately

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the inauguration happened

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_00]: came and went

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_00]: uh so so it things have been contested

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but sort of respectfully

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think January 6th

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: probably changed things

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: one thing it changed

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: is I think the Republicans

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: would be far less likely

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to gather in a crowd around

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the Capitol

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they learned their lesson

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that the uh

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that they're going to get

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: hunted down if they do

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but there will be

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: enormous problems

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: either way

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think our system

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to be

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: so full of holes

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and that with all the election observers

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: there'll be so many claims

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: of irregularity

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: true or false

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: there will always be claims

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that we won't be able to

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: feel comfortable

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that the claims have been

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: investigated

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: before the deadline for

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: certifying the election

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_01]: so I suspect

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to get kicked

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_01]: to the the house

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and it might be some really

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: terrible process

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_01]: by which the

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_01]: you know the members of the house

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: pick the president

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: which is I believe is the

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the plan B in the constitution

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: if we can't get it the normal way

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and that would pick Trump

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and then then we got all kinds of trouble

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so so

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_00]: if I'm not sure

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_00]: if that's the plan B

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_00]: in the constitution

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because the constitution says

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_00]: if there isn't a majority

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_00]: of the electors

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: it goes gets thrown

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to the house

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_00]: but you still have to have electors

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you still have to have an electoral college meet

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and what you're saying is the electoral college

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_00]: might not even get certified

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_00]: in which case

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's a prescription

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: well the supreme court of course

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you know we always assume

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that they're the you know

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the final arbiter

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe they would be

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm not even sure

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that the left would

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you know would believe anything

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that came out of the supreme court at this point

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: so our our systems

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_01]: have degraded in credibility

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to the point

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: where I don't think anybody's

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: going to trust what happens

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: no matter which way it goes

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: what do you think the odds are of a landslide

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: low but I will give you

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that if it's a landslide

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: in either direction

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that gives us a comfortable transition of power

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think that's

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that's my hope

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 chance

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: because like I look at

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I look at 1972

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: where we had something similar happen

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: there was a national ticket on both sides

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it was Nixon-Agnew

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was McGovern-Eagleton

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and Eagleton

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: there was news stories

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: that he had had shock therapy for depression

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Thomas Eagleton was senator from Missouri

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: he dropped out of the race

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's the only precedent

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I could think of of a

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: already nationally nominated

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: or soon to be nominated

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: candidate dropping from an election

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and it and he you know

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: McGovern picked Sergeant Shriver

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: a Kennedy relative

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and and the uncertainty it created

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Nixon wasn't a popular president

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and he was already being investigated

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: for Watergate

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he won 49 states to one

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: McGovern only won Massachusetts

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and and DC

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think that was because

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: of the uncertainty generated by his

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the VP confusion

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but that that confusion

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that uncertainty didn't seem to happen here

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: with the assumption of Harris

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you know my take on the

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: what Republicans are calling a coup

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: on the Democrat side

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: is it's none of my business

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if I were a Democrat

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I didn't like it

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: well I would complain

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you're yeah actually

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: technically I am a Democrat

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a registered Democrat

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but you know I don't

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't play for that side

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: if I played for that side

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and I didn't like what my side was doing

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be really loud about it

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: but I haven't heard

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: even one person complain

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: who's a Democrat

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: so if the Democrats are happy

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that that's how they pick their candidate

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: or at least they're willing not to complain

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not really Republican business

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that's your new competitor

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you better get used to it

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I mean

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and yeah I'm fine with what the Democrats did

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I I don't think it was a coup

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I think this was a normal process

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they would

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: they saw they were going to lose

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: so of course they had to pick

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: somebody new and Harris was the obvious candidate

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they did not have an open convention

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: or they're not

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: clearly they're not having one

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: because I think that would create

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: too much uncertainty and confusion

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: they did the right thing for them

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: also also I think it should be noted

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that their most credible players

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: were probably behind it

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: so if it's true that you know

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: two former presidents

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: you know maybe maybe

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Hillary Clinton

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know Pelosi

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you know Schumer

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: if they were all on the same side

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: those are the ones that the Democrats would trust

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to say okay this is a once-ever situation

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to break some rules

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: but we're going to break them

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: in the service of getting a Democrat elected

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it's hard for a Democrat to say no to that

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not ideal

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but given the circumstances

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I would trust those people

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to make that decision for me

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and they were smart to do it quickly

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and not wait for the convention for instance

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and and I got to give them credit for that

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: so so it sort of stopped the damage a little bit

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course it reversed it

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like now the betting markets

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: are predicting Harris is going to win

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm well well you know

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what's happening with the polling right

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching Rasmussen

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the big polling companies

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: their numbers still say that Trump

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: has a commanding lead

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and it didn't really change much

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but the other pollsters

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: have been silent for several days

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and Rasmussen is publicly mocking them

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: so where's your new numbers

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: so where's those new numbers

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're slightly stale numbers

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that show Kamala Harris is doing well

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and then those numbers drive the betting market

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the betting market

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: will drive the numbers

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so they've created this self-sustaining

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know building thing

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and we'll see if Rasmussen is right

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: because if the new

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: if next week the polls come in

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and they don't show Kamala Harris ahead

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you'll know that they gamed it

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I always think of the betting market

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: the way people think of the bond market

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's not easy to invest in bonds

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: there's no like New York bond exchange

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you could just go online

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and buy some bonds

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: so people who buy and sell bonds

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: tend to be smarter about the economy

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and investing than this spec

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know retail speculators and stocks

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and and the betting markets

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: these are people who are putting money at risk

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: so they kind of have to look at everything

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: they just don't look at the latest polls

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I sort of feel they're a little smarter

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: about understanding the messaging and so on

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: No I would go the different direction

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's small amounts at play

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the bond people are looking at larger amounts

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah they're serious people

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but the if I put a $200 bet on a betting market

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do any research

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you might so you're just saying

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that might just be a kind of sort of poll

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: another version of of polling

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I'm not even sure if it's anything

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: except people having fun

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: or trying to see if they can guess it right

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: in my case that's what I would do

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like you know

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: if I don't put money on this

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like I won't be able to hold myself accountable

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: so I've done a few bets like that

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: there's all kinds of reasons

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the betting market

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: is not as predictive as it could be

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: so your final conclusion here is

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that it's going to be very close

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: we won't have a winner

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and from my perspective

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that means look out below on the stock market

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's going to be like

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Gore-Bush 2000 where the stock market fell

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: over 20% between November

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: between election day and inauguration day

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and I hope so

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so that would be the most

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the easiest buying opportunity of all time

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: because one of the things we've learned

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: is it doesn't matter too much who the president is

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you know having Biden in charge

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: at least for the for let's say six months

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: just doesn't make that much difference

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think the if there's chaos

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and not an obvious transition

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the stock market will take a dump

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and then I will take every dollar I have

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and buy in because it'll be back to normal

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: in a month

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that would be my guess

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: no matter who's in charge

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it'll be back to normal in a month

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that could be I mean I always used to think

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and I've written about this

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that who the president is doesn't matter

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: but then you start looking at the international

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: what they talked about last night

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: what Musk was talking about how

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you know would Russia have been as confident

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in Ukraine if there was a strong president

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: you know would Iran has been as confident

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: with their manipulation of Hamas

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and the Houthis and Hezbollah

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: if there was a strong president

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and then it reminds me of JFK

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: like would the Cuban Missile Crisis have happened

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: if there was no Bay of Pigs

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like JFK was a weak president

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: it were started off as a weak president

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: ended up as a strong one

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Carter American hostage crisis

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: he was perceived as weak

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and then the day Reagan was not

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: what became president

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: they Iran had to release the hostages

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like so it was clearly

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: there was a difference between a weak president

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and a strong or maybe semi crazy president

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know definitely other presidents

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: or leaders are afraid of the crazy

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and so in that sense it might matter I don't know

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I agree it matters in the longer term

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and for the you know the big international stuff

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't think the stock market

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to matter in any six month period

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I do expect that Trump could actually deliver

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: on some of the crazy claims

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: like I could solve Ukraine the first day

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he actually could

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like what would he do

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't bet on it

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you just say

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: hey Putin here's the deal

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you know this isn't going to go anywhere

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know you're not going to get more

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and Ukraine hey you know

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you're not going to get all of that land back

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that they took how about this

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll just say that we're not going to make Ukraine

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: a member of NATO

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and we just sort of keep what you got

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and go back to our business

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: how about that Putin

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: because the alternative is destruction

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and suddenly people start getting

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit more more reasonable

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: now there's some thinking that

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Ukraine's latest attempt

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to take some Russian territory

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not part of the occupied Ukrainian stuff

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: is just to have some negotiating stuff

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: so we'll give you back this part of Russia

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: if you give us this part of Ukraine that you took

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's what it looks like to me

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: so to me it looks like Zelensky is preparing

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: to negotiate Putin said explicitly

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: he's preparing to negotiate

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're just waiting for Trump

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know I want to

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to just quickly mention

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and ask you about

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: as you mentioned you do this for a living

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you didn't always say that

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you were the Dilbert guy

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and suddenly you do do this for a living now

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like you have your coffee with Sky Adams

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: which I listened to is

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: well whatever I'm at my desk at that time

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening to you

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and you've been very good at building up

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: an entire platform around your kind of

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: thoughts on current events

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly politics

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and your analysis from the prism of

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it's looking at it

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: from a hypnosis point of view

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: or I would say a game theory point of view

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you're like the best at this

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and eight years ago you would say

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you wouldn't take a side

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you were like you were even saying

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm for Hillary Clinton

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: because I have to be

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: otherwise I could be in danger

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you would kind of play both sides

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and also you kind of had this thing

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: where if both sides hated you

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that's how you would get the most observers

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: which I don't think

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: with the new algorithms

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: turns out to be true anymore

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you have to be polarized

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've been hurt

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: by not being more polarizing

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: like I really try to

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you don't do this

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you do do this

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: but I really try to understand both sides

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and have both sides be welcome

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: coming on this show

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and answering my questions

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think then it doesn't excite people

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: as much as being polarizing

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and what do you think?

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What's your advice for me?

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I were more biased

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have 10 times a bigger audience

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so I agree with you completely

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the things that you and I

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think both do

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: is try to talk about the

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: tools of how to know what's real

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like how do you navigate your world?

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm more about focusing on

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: how you know what's real

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and how you analyze

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and making sure it's not a half opinion

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a whole opinion

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that sort of thing

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and so I've developed a number of viewers

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: who like that

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but that's not going to be 80% of the world

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that's always going to be 2% of the world

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but here's the important part

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody asked me this the other day

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: they said how many public figures

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: are watching your show?

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And my answer is all the ones that matter

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: not every show of course

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but I mean even Trump would watch my show

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: from the Oval Office I heard

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: so of course he's sampling all the shows

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: not just mine

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but as long as I reach the people

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: who are the thinkers and movers

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and I can help them

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: just get a little extra tool

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: so they've got an extra way to express something

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe another a better way to persuade

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: something to stay away from

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I can just make them a little bit more effective

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think of myself as a force multiplier

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: meaning that my impact is on other influencers

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they have the bigger audiences

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think you do a really good job

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of looking at the meta game

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: which is oh here's this new message

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: how did they come up with this?

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it good?

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it bad?

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You know is it true?

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the statement is it true

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: is a very important prism

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: to view these things you know

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that are in the media

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but because you apply it most

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: to what you're interested in

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: which is for instance this political election

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and your views on it

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that does get

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you have become polarizing

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: like if it used to be four or five years ago

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: if I would tell people

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: oh Sky Adams is coming on the podcast

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know people who are on one side

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: would say why would you have that right wing sicko

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: on your podcast

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: like and you're always been a moderate in my view

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's crazy that anybody would think

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you're right wing at all

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but it did polarize people

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and that I think look

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: it got you on the one hand banned

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in some cases because of with Dilbert

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but other cases it built you a platform

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know I think there's a new movement

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that I keep talking about

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but I feel like people will understand this better

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a new force

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not left or right

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I call them the internet dads

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe I'll put you in that category

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so Elon Musk is not left or right

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because he said very clearly

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: he could he's always supported Democrats

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he could maybe the next time he will

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's an internet dad

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and if you look at the conversation

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that he had with Trump

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you notice he left out

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the real red meat stuff

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing about abortion

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing about religion

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing about taxes by the way

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you talked about trans

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: did he because those are not exactly

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the internet dad issues

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the things that let's say David Sachs

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Bill Ackman

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you and I would be in favor of

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: are things that nobody who has a brain

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: should be against

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: in other words there's some things like

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we need border security

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not really left or right

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and of course shouldn't be

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that is dad

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that's dad saying look

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a reason we lock the car

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a reason we lock the house

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a reason to lock the

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you know the government

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: or the country

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think the common sense people

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: are leaning a little toward Trump

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: for 80% of his platform

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think that's the big change

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the common censors are willing to say

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I can't be a democrat

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: if you can't be a little bit more

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: sensitive to some of these dangers

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that are obvious

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: well what's

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_00]: listen what's the next book

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you should write a book called

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The Internet Dads

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: well you know I started working on

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: a document I don't know if it'll be a book

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: or something smaller

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: about how to spot fake news

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and how to know when you're being brainwashed

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and I realized I developed

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a whole bunch of you know little tools and tricks

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just give you one

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: one of my favorites is the two on the nose

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you may have heard me say that

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you'll hear a story that

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: if there's a popular narrative

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that says I don't know

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that if you do a certain thing

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you'll die

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and then very soon after that

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a story about somebody

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: who did the exact thing

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and they died

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the first thing I say is

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a little too on the nose

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a little too perfect fit to that narrative

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: if you just always tell yourself

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever you see one that's too perfect

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: almost certainly not true

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you start keeping attention

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: or paying attention to how often you write

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: when you use the two on the nose thing

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and you'll be amazed

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like 90% predictive

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's just one tool

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: there's you know 100 more

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that one

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you ever see the movie minority report

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't have a firm memory of it

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the one where they use AI basically

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: to predict crimes before they happen

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: so and I think Colin Farrell is the detective

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and they come into this case

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and they get in a room

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: where there's all this evidence

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and Colin Farrell says

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: boy there's an orgy of evidence here

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and then he says

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you know the last time I've seen a case

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: where we go into a room

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: where there's an orgy of evidence

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: never

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: like there's something wrong

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with what's happening

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah the real world is so weird

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that a real story stands out

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's something just wrong with it

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so take for example

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the Secret Service

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: not fully protecting Trump at the rally

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: on day one I said

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you know this could be anything

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it could be that worst case thing

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: where there's some inside job to kill Trump

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe maybe

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but far more likely

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to find out

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: this is a Dilbert situation

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: where people didn't communicate well

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and they just didn't perform

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and then one day after another

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: it dribbled down

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: well I thought you said

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you would cover the roof

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like there it is

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: there it is

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: now I'm not going to say

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the whole story

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think there's still some room

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that there might have been some bad behavior

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have evidence of that

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: from a conspiracy theory possibility

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe there's more to it

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe it's just

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe some of these Secret Service

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: just didn't care as much

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that could be part of it

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: if it had been the most beloved person in the world

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and everybody felt that way

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe having somebody watching the roof

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: would have just automatically happened

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and nobody would have known the difference

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah I think looking for messiness

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a good sign of a real story

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah like I always use something

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I call conspiracy numbers

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: which is if the number of things

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that has to conspire together

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: for a fact to be true

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: or for a statement to be true

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: if the number of things gets greater and greater

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: it's less likely for this assumption to be true

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: so if for like 9-11 is an obvious one

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: if thousands of people have

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: would have to agree to be silent

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: until they die

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and then even afterwards

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: no news

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like the conspiracy number for this to be

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: for 9-11 to be a conspiracy to be true

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just too high so it can't be true

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and similar with the secret service

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it's more like what you just said

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: is there was a culture of

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: okay the head of the secret service

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: probably doesn't like Trump

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: so we're not going to pay

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: as much attention to details

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: as we normally do

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and then bad things eventually happens

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the unlikely black swan event happens eventually

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's what I sort of feel happened

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so my new persuasive

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but I mean it seriously thing

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: is that Trump should require

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: his current secret service staff

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the team

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to each of them say in writing

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that they don't believe

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the fine people hoax

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: which Kamala Harris is pushing again

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: this week and Biden pushes

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the idea that Trump had ever called

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: neo-Nazis fine people

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're hearing this for the first time

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: even though you think you heard it on video

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you didn't

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: because they entered it out the part

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: where he said just to be clear

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so if you take that part out

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: people are fooled into thinking

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they saw it with their own eyes

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: anyway the point is

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: if you really thought he said that

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: would you protect them

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and the answer is

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're a normal human being

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and you thought that the guy

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you're protecting had once

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: actually in the real world

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: praised neo-Nazis

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure I'd put in 100 percent

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and so I would make every one of them say

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: in writing do you understand

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that this didn't happen in the real world

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and then I would go further

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and I would make the head

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: of the secret service

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: say in writing

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: so that every member

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: of the secret service could see it

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: this is a confirmed hoax

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll link to Snopes

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: which calls it a hoax

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: they didn't always but now they do

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and I would make sure

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: there was nobody guarding me

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: who thought I might be

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: a neo-Nazi supporter

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: very important

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah that would be a good strategy there

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: what other strategies

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: last question

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I've kept you here for a while

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: what other strategies

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: would you suggest to Trump?

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Kamala is doing

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: these genius strategies

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and I agree with it

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: she's it's like unbelievable

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: how she's been doing this

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: what should Trump do now?

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Well it depends on the attack

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: so if the attack is

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: he's going to steal my democracy

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and become a fascist dictator

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I've recommended that he have lunch

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: just ordinary voters

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Democrats who are afraid of them

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and film it

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and just say

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: how exactly am I going to

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: steal your democracy

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they'd say something like

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: well you're forcing women

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to do things with their bodies

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: or not do things

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you're controlling their bodies

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he would say probably

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: well I took that out of my control

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's the federal government

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and the Supreme Court

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: is completely out of it

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what I did

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I gave it to the states

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: there are more women voters

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: in every state

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: they can have anything they want

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: because half of the men

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in the state already agree

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: with abortion

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so if women by a large majority want it

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they will vote in the people

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that they want

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: or they'll get the laws

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that they want

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: so what I did

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: was take it out of my control totally

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and move it closer to women

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: so women can have the final say

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: now imagine you're sitting there

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and the president says that to you

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to pause

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to say

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: this is really inconvenient

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: for women who want abortions

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's not going to happen

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: right away

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever you're saying

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: if it does happen at all

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: but you did actually take it

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: out of your control

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and you gave it closer to the people

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not a terrible point

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: so I believe that

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: if he just talked like a human

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know take out the stump speech

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're just talking to him

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: one on one

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: his personal charisma

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: is insane

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've had the

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: pleasure to talk to Trump personally

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you talk to him personally

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you can see why he's president

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way I had the same feeling

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: about George Bush the younger

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: first time I saw him

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: before he was running for president

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the first time

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I was at an event

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: where I gave a speech

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and he was giving a speech

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and he walks in the room

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and you could just feel it

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you could feel the personal power

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of George Bush the junior

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and even in that moment

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I said oh my god

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: he's going to be a president

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and sure enough

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you got there

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: so Trump has that thing

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so if you could unleash that thing

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that personal charisma

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in a very small event

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: with some Democrats

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and just film them

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: having an experience

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see that

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: it couldn't go off the rails

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it'd be risky

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: they might just go crazy or something

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think they would be polite

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and if he simply told him his side

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and say look Republicans

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: are the ones that want you to have

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the most free speech

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the states have the most power

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and not me

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to give away my power

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you saw me do it with abortion

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and he could make the argument

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's all just made up

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and the news isn't real

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think people would go

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and think about it for a long time

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think he needs to get down

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to the Democrat voter level

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and not be always up in the clouds

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that is a good approach

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: well we'll see if that happens

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: there's going to be

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a lot more fun

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the screenwriters of 2024 are going to have

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: before this year is over

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and I am worried about the close election

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like I think

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think violence could occur

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I think bad things could happen

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: so we'll see what happens

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Nate Silver makes the point

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that if Kamala doesn't win Pennsylvania

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: she only has a 3% chance

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: of winning the election

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he gets his numbers

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: but you know it was interesting

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that she didn't pick Josh Shapiro

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: to be your VP candidate because of that

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: but we'll see if the election

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: is close or not on either side

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and Scott once again

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: thank you for coming on the podcast

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and trying to make sense

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: of all this confusion that is out there

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it's always a pleasure

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I love your interview style

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I tell people

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: even when you're not listening

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that you're my favorite interviewer

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: over these eight years

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: nobody does this better

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you do this better than anybody

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: in my opinion

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that thank you

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I work really hard at it

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I study the greats

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: so I work really hard at this

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: All right thanks James